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German ES13 bayonet original or fake?

Article about: Hello! Some times ago I found interesting, but very strange ES13 bayonet with C.T.S. mark on the handle. I've been thinking about it for over half a year, but did not come to a definite conc

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    Default German ES13 bayonet original or fake?

    Hello!
    Some times ago I found interesting, but very strange ES13 bayonet with C.T.S. mark on the handle.
    I've been thinking about it for over half a year, but did not come to a definite conclusion.

    It has seems British?, or US? socket blade with unreadable original maker mark: "H*FORRES* & Co" ?
    - under the two german marks.
    German ES13 bayonet original or fake?German ES13 bayonet original or fake?
    German ES13 bayonet original or fake?German ES13 bayonet original or fake?
    German ES13 bayonet original or fake?German ES13 bayonet original or fake?
    German ES13 bayonet original or fake?

    As I know from Roy Williams book socket bayonets for german ES* series will be used from the all the world.
    But I can not find in bayonets literature for British and US bayenets similar maker.
    German ES13 bayonet original or fake?German ES13 bayonet original or fake?
    My mistrusts:
    - It seems bayonet "freshly painted". May be modern terrible restoration?
    - I can not find similar "Original maker" - marks in bayonet's books
    - letter H -seems "jagged"
    My general impression: mixed feelings.

    Any thoughts?

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    German ES13 bayonet original or fake?

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    Doubble C ? proofs added on blade are little strange, should be firstly proofed on G88 rifle is possible to attach, the welding of the blade there is little strange, it could be the handle was equiped with this socket blade.Anyway similar reworks were done by larger workshop so they could have various quality, You should search the maker of english stamp? . MRD should be dividen into 2 diameters 15,5 and 17,4mm

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    Size of this bayonet:

    Overall lenght: 560 mm
    Blade lenght: 439 mm
    Blade width: 20,5 mm
    MRD: 17,3 mm

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    I search similar maker's in Ian D. Skennerton & Rober Richardson book without result.
    Also I try to find somene similar from US makers in two books:
    Albert In. Hardin Jr.
    Gary M. Cunningham
    without any results. If it reproo it seems very starange to do stamp "fantasy" trade mark...

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    17,3 or 4 could be real for G88, the CTS that was mentioned by R.Williams is evidently there, question is of same maker as declared, anyway a crown/C proof on blade is for Solingen. Question remains the blade but who would do similar repro blade and add a unknown maker, has no real background, possible the piece was repainted in time. There are remains of green paint in front of crosspiece. maybe Graham Priest would be the source for english sockets.

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