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Possible very rare maker’s mark on Swiss M1914 Pioneer sawback bayonet?

Article about: I’m very new to learning about knives and bayonets I inherited from my father when he passed. I’ve been researching a 24-inch Swiss M1914 Pioneer sawback bayonet for a couple days now, a

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    Default Possible VERY RARE maker’s mark on Swiss M1914 Pioneer sawback bayonet?

    I’m very new to learning about knives and bayonets I inherited from my father when he passed. I’ve been researching a 24-inch Swiss M1914 Pioneer sawback bayonet for a couple days now, and I’m going a bit nuts. Unfortunately, I could not find it’s sheath, but my dad may have never had one. UPDATE: the day after I posted this I FOUND THE GORGEOUS SHEATH! It (to ME) is in really good shape. I’ll post some pics as soon as I can. The original leather sheath was probably replaced with the steel sheath in 1938.

    I have an individual (who’s not keen on knives, just mostly guns) who is interested in my collection, but I need to educate myself on the collections’ authenticity and value. Sadly, I got totally ripped off on most of my dad’s gun collection bc I didn’t know anything about them; I just honestly needed the money at the time. So, knowledge is so important in regards to my knives.

    I have learned things from several websites but not sure if it’s all true or what is actually true and what isn’t. Below is a pic of my bayonet’s maker’s mark:
    Possible very rare maker’s mark on Swiss M1914 Pioneer sawback bayonet?

    In several hours over a couple days I was able to find only ONE online that is like mine. Pic below:
    Possible very rare maker’s mark on Swiss M1914 Pioneer sawback bayonet?

    I read that “H.S.” is most rare manufacturer bc “there is no paperwork identifying H.S.” It is believed by most to be Hans Steiner, Wasen (im Emmental). According to SWISSWAFFEN.COM, who is only site to acknowledge maker as Hans Steimer with an m, there were only 3 manufacturers of this bayonet: Waffenfabrik Neuhausen, Elsener Schwyz, and Hans Steimer (Wasen). Also, according to SWISSWAFFEN.COM, Hans Steimer (Wasen) used various markings, most are below:
    - H S (with Swiss “acceptance” symbol below)
    - H.St. (with Swiss symbol below)
    - H.St with “S” reverse stamped (Swiss symbol to right and “1933” below)
    W
    - H S (Swiss symbol lower and offset to right, then “1934” below)
    W
    - H St (Swiss symbol above and “1930” below)
    W

    The only other information I think is true is that these Swiss M1914 sawback bayonets were used on 7.5mm Schmidt-Rubin M1911 Carbine and the M1931 (K31) Short Rifle. They were issued from 1916-1918. The stamped # on the crosspiece or guard was stamped (after it was issued) with soldier’s firearm #, and the bayonets were first equipped with leather sheaths. Then, from 1938, they had steel sheaths, and the defective leather sheaths were replaced. That’s all I got… Now, I just really need to know how rare my bayonet’s maker’s mark is (1-2=extremely rare, 9-10=common). Is there ANYONE who can please help me with information or lead me to a source that has what I need to know? ANY INFO WILL BE SO VERY GRATEFULLY APPRECIATED! Thank you so much for your time reading this.

    Possible very rare maker’s mark on Swiss M1914 Pioneer sawback bayonet?Possible very rare maker’s mark on Swiss M1914 Pioneer sawback bayonet?
    Possible very rare maker’s mark on Swiss M1914 Pioneer sawback bayonet?Possible very rare maker’s mark on Swiss M1914 Pioneer sawback bayonet?
    Possible very rare maker’s mark on Swiss M1914 Pioneer sawback bayonet?
    Possible very rare maker’s mark on Swiss M1914 Pioneer sawback bayonet?Possible very rare maker’s mark on Swiss M1914 Pioneer sawback bayonet?
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    Possible very rare maker’s mark on Swiss M1914 Pioneer sawback bayonet?
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    Last edited by Twiggylaine; 10-04-2022 at 08:16 AM. Reason: I FOUND THE GREAT 1938 Steel-issued sheath for it!!! It’s Awesome!

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    Looks like a early M1914 piece, from info that i have there exist various Hans Steimer Wasen stamps, one typical is HS/W. The later production was dated most real since 1930. Your piece was early made question is the K11 serial number how it could be dated, as the K11 serial number of rifle could be dated exactly. The leather scabbards were used on M1906 pionier version mostly with M1914 were in majority used metall scabbards, only in early production there was a mixed combination that was replaced quickly.

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    The both serials is for first year of production K11 carbine and it means a 1914, so the both bayonets should be made around this date, maybe later as both similar marked. The metall scabbard in picture was made by Paillard. Personally doubt that the metall scabbards were added post 1938, that is too late, more real is the early 20ies.

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