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Article about: Before I get started - this was free, as in a gift, zero money. So feel to be brutally honest, blunt and to the point. The man who brought it back never married and never had kids so he left

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    Before I get started - this was free, as in a gift, zero money. So feel to be brutally honest, blunt and to the point. The man who brought it back never married and never had kids so he left everything to his male "friend" who also never had kids or married and lived with him. When this second man died, everything went to the friend's brother and then when the brother died to his the brother's daughter (niece of the friend). The niece was moving and this little trunk had been sitting in her garage for the better part of the last 25 years and gave it to me.

    When I got it, it had the broken Luft eagle, Army cockade and officer strap on it. I figured the eagle was wrong and because the studs are enlisted black, the strap wrong. So I had a friend come over to look at it and while he was over, the postman arrived. While I was outside, he pulled the cockade and eagle off. When I came back he said that they had no place being there. He said the hat is not standard army, but ss. There are holes in the cap where multiple different sets of insignia were at some point. The inside of the cap has a long present hole in the lining to reach where the insignia was. The best I can figure is that someone raided the insignia during the war and then someone wanted a hat and threw some insignia on it.

    So now the question is what should I do? Replace period insignia? I presume an enlisted chinstrap because of the buttons? Would any original skull and eagle be appropriate? Can anyone tell me more about this cap? Is that a name inside as well? Thank you ABN

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    Definitely looks SS to me. It looks era produced, maybe late 30's. I cannot say for certain if it's NCO or officer. Especially since the insignia had been changed out and apparently the chin cord too. The cords buttons may have been missing so adding what whoever did the insignia may of occurred with different cord buttons.

    You could mount the SS Adler and Totenkopf but I think you'd need to find the same insignia as mid 30's to match the visor. Best part is the price.

    I took the liberty of righting the interior shots so its easier to read. If that could speak the stories it could possibly tell would be amazing!

    A disclaimer here, let others reply, i have been wrong on visors before but my gut tells me what I wrote above. Great to see out of the woodwork items!
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    One Thing I can say for sure is that this Visor is named to Christian Bach "Staatsoberfoerster" (Senior State Forester).

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    Quote by NSDAP Sammler View Post
    One Thing I can say for sure is that this Visor is named to Christian Bach "Staatsoberfoerster" (Senior State Forester).
    Forestry visor then? The color to me is not quite SS but hard to tell on the monitor.

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    Quote by Rich Moran View Post
    Forestry visor then? The color to me is not quite SS but hard to tell on the monitor.
    I can't tell if this an SS or Forestry Visor. But the the name tag in the celluloid trapeze says Senior State Forester. If the tag is original to the visor there must be a reason for.

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    Quote by NSDAP Sammler View Post
    I can't tell if this an SS or Forestry Visor. But the the name tag in the celluloid trapeze says Senior State Forester. If the tag is original to the visor there must be a reason for.
    Thank you for the replies.

    I don't know much about German caps and this is only my third visor or so...but a quick google search shows forestry visors have a dark green color band on the outside and dark green pipping. The color band on this one is most definitely black and the pipping is white. Was there a forester color combination like this?

    As to the name, I am not sure what is going on...it had a luft eagle, army badge, enlisted buttons, army strap, forester name all on a hat that came direct from the woodwork.

    Would better photos of anything help? Direct sunlight? Thank you

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    Quote by Airbornehunter View Post
    Thank you for the replies.

    I don't know much about German caps and this is only my third visor or so...but a quick google search shows forestry visors have a dark green color band on the outside and dark green pipping. The color band on this one is most definitely black and the pipping is white. Was there a forester color combination like this?

    As to the name, I am not sure what is going on...it had a luft eagle, army badge, enlisted buttons, army strap, forester name all on a hat that came direct from the woodwork.

    Would better photos of anything help? Direct sunlight? Thank you
    My pleasure! It doesn't look like a forester's visor to me either. However, I am no expert in this area and would rather leave an assessment of this to others who have more knowledge of it than I do. I already indicated before that it is not certain whether the nameplate actually belongs to this visor at all. And as you said, the visor was pretty messed up overall. It's quite possible that someone added the name tag later, maybe this someone didn't speak German and therefore didn't know that it would not fit at all. Who knows, I'm afraid we'll never know either.

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    It is for sure not a Forst visor. Perhaps the owner/wearer was Staatsoberförster - interestingly enough it is STAATSoberförster, not REICHSoberförster.

    Here is an example for a Forst-cap: Forestry Visor For Review

    As the cap has a black cloth centerband it could indeed be a EM/NCO Waffen-SS cap. It was made by Kornacker and distributed by Vockrodt and is a period cap - for whatever unit. So chances are good! Wait for the specialists' opinions and: good luck!
    Last edited by ErWeSa; 06-11-2022 at 08:56 PM.

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    IMO it is an nco visor. I have never seen a period kornacker Ss visor (black and fieldgrey) . But never say never.
    You’re pictures are not the best. Please show more from this visor.

    Br Christian

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