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Post-WWII Scottish Unit Headgear (UK and Commonwealth)

Article about: I have been collecting post-WWII headgear from Scottish units since I attended Aberdeen University as an exchange student in the late 1990s. Since then I have been able to build up a pretty

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    Default Post-1953 Military Intelligence Corps Side Cap/Service Cap

    Post-WWII Scottish Unit Headgear (UK and Commonwealth)

    While not attributed directly to a Scottish unit, I have always liked the British side caps. During a deployment a few years ago, a Military Intelligence Corps colleague told me he always regretted that the MIC gave up wearing the side cap. Ever since I have been trying to find one and finally a little while ago I did.

    I like to add images to my posts to show the headgear being worn, but after scouring multiple sources (to include the MIC Museum's site), I was only able to find pre-1953 pictures and references. I will keep looking.
    Last edited by Reid10; 04-16-2021 at 11:31 AM.

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    Post-WWII Scottish Unit Headgear (UK and Commonwealth)




    During my research, I did find something interesting, which nests with BobS' previous post.

    John Steed from the Avengers served in the Int Corps during WWII and apparently earned the Military Cross. Now, he was a notorious BS'er, but there is photographic evidence. (See below) According to his military file, he earned it for single-handedly taking out a German machine-gun post. Sir Christopher Lee was another hero of WWII.

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    Hi Reid, I don't know about McNees relationship with the truth but that pic is from the film "Death of a Batman" (1963) in which he played John Steed. As far as I know he was not in the Army but the Royal Navy so would not qualify for the MC in any case. Also Int Coprs pers are and always have been rear area types and very unlikely to be anywhere near the enemy let alone storming a MG post He enlisted as an Ordinary Seaman but was later commissioned and served as navigator on a MTB. He was listed for the D-Day Operation Overlord but contracted bronchitis and was in hospital on D-Day. He left the Navy in 1946. As far as I know he was not recipient of any gallantry awards. So, perhaps as you say he was something of a "BS" merchant?

    Christopher Lee on the other hand was in the Royal Airforce as an intelligence officer and was secconded to the Long Range Desert Group in North Africa then later The Gurkhas in Italy as well as service with SOE. He is reputed to have been on personal terms with Joseph Broz Tito as a result. His military record is still mostly classified as far as I am aware.

    Regards

    Mark
    PS I am still researching the RHF TOS question and awaiting email replies from "those who know"!
    PPs Referring to the Int Corps as rear echelon I should of course add the caveat that members are also employed in small numbers in specialist roles such as .... REDACTED.... but of course we don't talk about that
    Last edited by Watchdog; 04-16-2021 at 03:44 PM. Reason: Typo
    "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing he cares more about than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature with no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."

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    Hi Reid, I don't know about McNees relationship with the truth but that pic is from the film "Death of a Batman" (1963) in which he played John Steed. As far as I know he was not in the Army but the Royal Navy so would not qualify for the MC in any case. Also Int Coprs pers are and always have been rear area types and very unlikely to be anywhere near the enemy let alone storming a MG post He enlisted as an Ordinary Seaman but was later commissioned and served as navigator on a MTB. He was listed for the D-Day Operation Overlord but contracted bronchitis and was in hospital on D-Day. He left the Navy in 1946. As far as I know he was not recipient of any gallantry awards. So, perhaps as you say he was something of a "BS" merchant?

    Christopher Lee on the other hand was in the Royal Airforce as an intelligence officer and was secconded to the Long Range Desert Group in North Africa then later The Gurkhas in Italy as well as service with SOE. He is reputed to have been on personal terms with Joseph Broz Tito as a result. His military record is still mostly classified as far as I am aware.

    Regards

    Mark
    PS I am still researching the RHF TOS question and awaiting email replies from "those who know"!

    Wow, if I could curse on this forum, I would be cursing out myself for being a dumb a**! Way to blow any credibility in one post. I am...red-faced.

    Thanks Mark, I will be editing that post!

    Reid

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    Wow, if I could curse on this forum, I would be cursing out myself for being a dumb a**! Way to blow any credibility in one post. I am...red-faced.

    Thanks Mark, I will be editing that post!

    Reid
    Of course my shame is eternally preserved in your reply... You can't ban members for being a dumba**, can you?

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    Default Balaklava Company, The Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders, 5th Battalion (5 SCOTS) Tam O' Shanter

    Post-WWII Scottish Unit Headgear (UK and Commonwealth)

    I have a few TOS for the current SCOTS battalions. I miss the distinctive cap badges and tartan badge backings, but we still have the different hackles.

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    Indeed they did and carried the day, relieving Fort Pitt against the rebels under Pontiac. Although they were still The 42nd (Royal Highland) Regiment of Foot (The Black Watch) until 1881 and the Childers Reforms when they amalgamated with 73rd Perthshire Regiment to be renamed The Black Watch (Royal Highlanders). They were nicknamed the "Forty Twa" and more recently (their own slang) "The Black Jocks" a nod to the name Black Watch which referred in part to the very dark tartan (Government tartan number 42). At Bushy Run they had some help from the 77th Highlanders (later disbanded) and the 60th Royal Americans so credit where it is due!

    I really despair at the modern reductions etc but I have to accept that it is not just down to recruiting but a combination of cost versus requirement and reorganisation / modernisation as a modern battalion is approximately as powerful as an old style brigade. During my time in service there were 7 regiments in the Scottish Division (51st Highland and 52nd Lowland Divs had already become reserve formations and much depleted) which were known as the "Magnificent Seven" within the Div but there were subsequent amalgamations of pairs of regiments leading to the eventual creation of The Royal Regiment of Scotland. However, all is not lost for us fans of tradition and history as all the way through regimental titles and traditions are maintained as far as possible within the resulting amalgams. For instance the RRS is a "Super Regiment" with each of the component battalions styled in some measure after the original regiments ie 1 SCOTS - The Royal Scots and Kings Own Scottish Borderers, 2 SCOTS - The Royal Highland Fusiliers, 3 SCOTS - The Black Watch and so on. 6&7 SCOTS are reserve battalions and preserve the 51st and 52nd Divisions. So, there is plenty to interest us today just as there was decades ago. However, I just happen to believe that "size matters"

    Sorry to go off at a tangent and don't mean to derail your thread Reid (Bob S provoked me ) it's just that sometimes a little padding adds to the overall result

    Regards

    Mark
    Mark,

    Feel free to go off topic anytime. That is what I was hoping for when I created this thread.

    Cheers

    Reid

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    Though this beret cannot be confirmed as being from 4th Battalion, The Parachute Regiment, it is the same or similar to the beret worn by members of the unit. I have added this beret to highlight the existence of a Reserve Parachute Battalion in Scotland. As a Scottish friend of mine once said, it is easier to find hen's teeth than a 15th Para beret...but we can all dream.
    I should add that the traditions of the 15th are carried on by 4th BN's A Company (Scottish) based in Glasgow. I do not think they wear the diamond-cut Hunting Stewart badge backing on their berets anymore.

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    Of course my shame is eternally preserved in your reply... You can't ban members for being a dumba**, can you?
    Haha,
    Don't worry about it mate!

    There is a very odd website out there that actually touts the same tale as truth and that is visible to the whole world! That's a very real downside to the World Wide Web as it used to be called. Anyone can post something without any basis in fact, it is assumed by people reading it that the author will be credible when in actual fact that author is, shall we say less than credible and has made baseless assumptions or is downright making it up!

    When the Orson Wells rendition of War of The Worlds was broadcast on radio (was it the '20s or '30s?) many people went into a panic thinking it was a genuine news flash!

    Nowadays it's kind of worse because of the natural tendancy to trust the web

    Best

    Mark
    "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing he cares more about than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature with no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."

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    Post-WWII Scottish Unit Headgear (UK and Commonwealth)

    While not attributed directly to a Scottish unit, I have always liked the British side caps. During a deployment a few years ago, a Military Intelligence Corps colleague told me he always regretted that the MIC gave up wearing the side cap. Ever since I have been trying to find one and finally a little while ago I did.

    I like to add images to my posts to show the headgear being worn, but after scouring multiple sources (to include the MIC Museum's site), I was only able to find pre-1953 pictures and references. I will keep looking.
    Thanks to Jerry B. for posting the 1941 handbook of FS hats. It had one of the few examples of the MIC FS that I could find to use in my post.

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    Haha,
    Don't worry about it mate!

    There is a very odd website out there that actually touts the same tale as truth and that is visible to the whole world! That's a very real downside to the World Wide Web as it used to be called. Anyone can post something without any basis in fact, it is assumed by people reading it that the author will be credible when in actual fact that author is, shall we say less than credible and has made baseless assumptions or is downright making it up!

    When the Orson Wells rendition of War of The Worlds was broadcast on radio (was it the '20s or '30s?) many people went into a panic thinking it was a genuine news flash!

    Nowadays it's kind of worse because of the natural tendancy to trust the web

    Best

    Mark
    You're too kind, Mark.

    I really try to do a lot of research before I post and should have checked a few more sources. Meh, lesson learned.

    I have a few more TOS coming from Scotland. One I purchased (1950s Seaforth Highlanders) and two sent by the RQ of my Uni. Will post when they arrive.

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