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Anatomy of an Ebay Headgear Scam

Article about: This just popped up on the 'bay, with the following description: "Österreich 1. Bundesheer - Schirmmütze für Generale, M.20; sehr frühe Form um 1920/21; feldgraues Wolltuch, goldene

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    This just popped up on the 'bay, with the following description:

    "Österreich 1. Bundesheer - Schirmmütze für Generale, M.20; sehr frühe Form um 1920/21; feldgraues Wolltuch, goldene Blechkokade mit rot/weiss/rotem Mittelteil; scharlachrote Vorstöße, umlaufendes dunkelgrünes Wolltuch am Stirnstreifen; vorne mittig das Kappenabzeichen in der Form des Wiener Landeswappens (zusätzlich rot ausgemalt) auf scharlachroter Wollunterlage; schwarzer Lacklederschirm mit brauner Unterseite, schwarzes Lackledersturmband - beidseitig von je 1 vergoldenen Knopf mit Generals-Dessin gehalten. Braunes Schweißleder mit leichten Tragespuren. Grüngelbes Deckelfutter aus Seide mit Größenstempel 56 1/2Perfekte Erhaltung ohne erkennbare Beschädigungen! Farbfrisch und in absolutem Bestzustand!Extrem seltene Kopfbedeckung aus der Anfangszeit des 1. österreichischen Bundesheeres nach dem 1. Weltkrieg!”
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    “Show me the regulation, and I’ll show you the exception.”

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    First I thought there is something wrong here as - although I perhaps should know that - I had in mind that officer's and general's caps were the black stiff caps.

    A look on the net made me wiser - in the 1920ies there were these caps for Austrian generals, see here:

    Tellerkappe und Schulterstucke fur einen Generalmajor des Osterreichischen Bundesheeres Muster 1924, - Historische Waffen, Uniformen, Militaria - Sonderteil: Nachlass Generalmajor Wolfgang Waldherr 15.02.2016 - Erzielter Preis: EUR 2.000 - Dorotheum

    (different insigne and cords - this is what I would have expected), but, see here:

    Osterreichisches Bundesheer 1. Republik

    this seems to have existed as well - I would have thought it would be Vienna-related, not Austria-wide (what I found was "Wiener Stadt-Miliz-Batallion"). What makes me think is the chin strap, for an officer/gerneral I would really have expected gilt cord. The buttons, however are for officers/generals. I would rather suspect this is an EM/NCO cap with officer's buttons for what reason ever.

    This is, by the way, an Austrian dealer, see here: Osterreich 1. Bundesheer Schirmmutze fur Generale M.20 | NEUE ARTIKEL | Richard Militaria
    Last edited by ErWeSa; 03-18-2021 at 10:26 PM.

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    Quote by ErWeSa View Post
    First I thought there is something wrong here as - although I perhaps should know that - I had in mind that officer's and general's caps were the black stiff caps.

    A look on the net made me wiser - in the 1920ies there were these caps for Austrian generals, see here:

    Tellerkappe und Schulterstucke fur einen Generalmajor des Osterreichischen Bundesheeres Muster 1924, - Historische Waffen, Uniformen, Militaria - Sonderteil: Nachlass Generalmajor Wolfgang Waldherr 15.02.2016 - Erzielter Preis: EUR 2.000 - Dorotheum

    (different insigne and cords - this is what I would have expected), but, see here:

    Osterreichisches Bundesheer 1. Republik

    this seems to have existed as well - I would have thought it would be Vienna-related, not Austria-wide (what I found was "Wiener Stadt-Miliz-Batallion"). What makes me think is the chin strap, for an officer/gerneral I would really have expected gilt cord. The buttons, however are for officers/generals. I would rather suspect this is an EM/NCO cap with officer's buttons for what reason ever.

    This is, by the way, an Austrian dealer, see here: Osterreich 1. Bundesheer Schirmmutze fur Generale M.20 | NEUE ARTIKEL | Richard Militaria
    Wolfgang, I was waiting for you to chime in!
    To me, it looks like a German-made Weimar Police NCO cap in every way (LaPo), with added Austrian insignia--something ain't right--
    “Show me the regulation, and I’ll show you the exception.”

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    Actually, this is the same hat as it looked when it was sold on Ebay in November 2019 (for $245).
    It is (or was) a Weimar LaPo cap for an NCO of the Württemberg Landjaegerkorps.

    The dealer removed the tell-tale name label (you can see the traces on the "General" visor); added buttons and chinstrap, added Austrian cap insignia, and is now trying to get some sucker to drop EUR 2.750,00 [US $3,273.74]--the "buy it now" price:


    Osterreich 1. Bundesheer Schirmmutze fur Generale M.20 #35928 | eBay
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    Last edited by stonemint; 03-19-2021 at 05:54 AM.
    “Show me the regulation, and I’ll show you the exception.”

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    No doubt it will be pulled, so saving the listing:
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    “Show me the regulation, and I’ll show you the exception.”

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    What a shame! A good cap ruined for profit.

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    A shame indeed, frustrating to see

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    Seems like the average turn-around on a bad/fake/screwed-with hat is about 18 months--they believe that if they lay low, people will forget about it.
    However, the internet never forgets.....
    “Show me the regulation, and I’ll show you the exception.”

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    As Wolfgang pointed out, here is what a real Austrian General visor looks like (note that it was made by Erel, and retailed by Durbeck of Vienna):
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    “Show me the regulation, and I’ll show you the exception.”

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    “Show me the regulation, and I’ll show you the exception.”

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