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02-02-2023 11:22 AM
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Hi Brodie, looks like an interesting piece and I would say a fair price.
I pretty much gave up on my Soviet collecting habit when the USSR broke up and the area of insignia especially went totally crazy with so many changes that the word "uniform" began to seem inappropriate!
I don't know what the patch actually represents and like you can't immediately see anything on line. However, from my own experience of the Russian symbology prevalent in such things my money is on it being ground based air defence related. In particular the upward pointing triangle and red arrowhead as well as the crossed swords. The device at the bottom is not totally clear but I think it is crossed gun barrels with a 'T' above so perhaps a weapons technical element?
I'm sure somebody here will know for sure but in the meantime it is a challenge to work out!
Regards
Mark
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing he cares more about than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature with no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
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Watchdog
Hi Brodie, looks like an interesting piece and I would say a fair price.
I pretty much gave up on my Soviet collecting habit when the USSR broke up and the area of insignia especially went totally crazy with so many changes that the word "uniform" began to seem inappropriate!
I don't know what the patch actually represents and like you can't immediately see anything on line. However, from my own experience of the Russian symbology prevalent in such things my money is on it being ground based air defence related. In particular the upward pointing triangle and red arrowhead as well as the crossed swords. The device at the bottom is not totally clear but I think it is crossed gun barrels with a 'T' above so perhaps a weapons technical element?
I'm sure somebody here will know for sure but in the meantime it is a challenge to work out!
Regards
Mark
Thanks for the help, Mark. My guess was either air defence or missile-related, so I'm glad others are on the same wavelength at least! Older Soviet-era stuff is more interesting, and certainly more consistent, but when the right item comes along at the right price, sometimes you just 'have' to have it!
B.B.
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Rather than swords (assuming I’m looking at the right bit), they appear to be sceptres... (spectre?!)
With the heavy imperial symbology, I wonder if it has something to do with the royal palaces. Hermitage Security Guard!
The ‘signals’ type lightning bolts in the eagle’s claw (on the left sleeve), instead of the expected orb, are also a bit of an oddity. All in all, a bit of a mess.
Baffled of Fochabers.
Last edited by Kohima; 02-03-2023 at 06:56 AM.
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Kohima
Rather than swords (assuming I’m looking at the right bit), they appear to be sceptres... (spectre?!)
With the heavy imperial symbology, I wonder if it has something to do with the royal palaces.
The ‘signals’ type lightning bolts in the eagle’s claw (on the left sleeve), instead of the expected orb, are also a bit of an oddity. All in all, a bit of a mess.
Baffled of Fochabers.
A bit of a mess, pretty much sums up the present state of said army! I’ll keep researching this one, but it continues to confound me for now.
B.B.
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Kohima
Rather than swords (assuming I’m looking at the right bit), they appear to be sceptres... (spectre?!)
With the heavy imperial symbology, I wonder if it has something to do with the royal palaces.
The ‘signals’ type lightning bolts in the eagle’s claw (on the left sleeve), instead of the expected orb, are also a bit of an oddity. All in all, a bit of a mess.
Baffled of Fochabers.
Oh I see, you are looking at the eagle patch in pic two which is the Russian state eagle with the word "RUSSIA" above and is the generic (except for colours) national indicator. It is the one in pic three which appears to be a unit / formation badge which I was talking about on the assumption that it was the subject of Brodie's question.
Regards
Mark
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing he cares more about than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature with no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
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I was actually referring to the unit insigne (picture 3), at that point, before skipping merrily onto the left sleeve.. the crossed things, in the blue and white rays, look like sceptres to me (rather than swords), of two slightly differing styles.
The collar discs appear to be a repeat of the red device.. almost like a telecom/television tower (think Berlin).
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It was picture 3 that I was referring to, and they’re definitely sceptres. The only image of a similar patch I’ve been able to find online was in a photograph of members of the Russian General Staff, so maybe this jacket has some sort of administrative connection?
B.B.
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Last edited by Watchdog; 02-03-2023 at 11:09 AM.
Reason: typo
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing he cares more about than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature with no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
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Watchdog
Are they both the same? A sceptre being a symbol of regnal/imperial authority would usually be a single item accompanied by an orb as is the normal configuration of the Russian Imperial Eagle (same symbology in most monarchical regalia including British). Perhaps this is a sword and sceptre as appears in some other regnal regalia for example in Scotland with James VI ( a Papal connection I believe)?
Interesting but still doesn't help with the dammed question
Regards
Mark
They're both sceptres, but of a slightly different design. The head of one is square-shaped, while the other has a pointed ornamentation that resembles a smaller version of the symbol in the patch's middle, and the one on the collar badges. Maybe that's significant in some way? Someone who knows their Russian onions better than we do must have an answer.
B.B.
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