RLB Second Pattern With Hangers
Gentlemen please can you confirm the authenticity of this RLB rig?
I have just been sent these images from a prospective seller that look fine however I am not educated on current copy hangers .
Kroneck "W" is the maker I am told but I have not been provided with an image of the logo as yet.
Your opinions and help is appreciated in advance thanks!
Lufty Lufty Lufty
Last edited by luftyluftylufty; 07-10-2017 at 01:20 PM. Reason: logo image
Better pictures wanted and needed. From what I can see it looks to be a salty original rig. The hangers look to be the proper leather. They are a bluish / black in nature and even with these pictures being very dark the Hangers seem to have proper stitching. They are hard to find. The hangers are in good condition. The clip should be DRGM marked.
Dagger: I would see if you can get better pics of emblem, blade and maker. Overall it looks like this maker but I always like to make sure. The pommel looks to be replaced to me versus the aged rest of dagger components. Either that or hogged clean. Almost looks too new. I would also ask to see side shots of the leather wrapped hilt and scabbard to make sure where the leather is seamed has not been messed with or is coming apart.
It is Salty and for the right price and inspection could be worth it.
Rossi
Last edited by Rossi; 07-10-2017 at 05:52 AM.
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Ernst Witte is correct for this dagger which shows the Kroneck Logo
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As Rossi stated better pics are needed, with these shots nothing cant be clearified.
To me very salty daggers now a days do concern me, the Polish fake daggers come that way...mostly it is a cover up to hide the fact that they are copies.
In a lot of cases the dagger is just salty and suffered from bad storage...
Please include decent pics!
Ger
I have been seeking advice regarding something which has been offered to me .
image quality is as received
I now include the logo
Lufty if these pics will not be improved by the seller its a definit NO GOby luftyluftylufty
I would not go into any deal with pics like these.
The ONLY exception would be if i would know the seller very very well and exactly know what this standards of quality are..
No one can tell by these pics if the rig is Original, what is a first RED FLAG is the totally different patina of the pommelcap as Rossi pointed out already.
So ask better pics or stop the negotiations
Ger
more images
More pictures are coming from the seller.
my believe was that someone may have cleaned the pommel then they thought better of continuing.
Can Anyone Confirm That The Straps Are Genuine?
Lufty
Lufty.......
with these pics....as said before.....wait......OR! ................wait until tonight.........i will pull out my magical glass sphere and tell you exactly what has been offered to you.....
Madame Gerda will be at your service
Hey Lufty,
I would ask seller for better hanger pics as well. From what I can see the ones on the dagger look okay but seeing close ups would not hurt. Here first are photos my hangers with my 2nd model Officer RLB for comparison and also some photos from Tom Wittmann on a set he has for sale with a dagger. Use these as a guideline when viewing the hangers on your dagger your considering. Also ask for pictures of belt clip to view makers mark on hangers clip. They will likely be marked DRGM and M 5/10 RZM as well. The leather the Germans used in these hangers was not great considering the weight they bore.
Also....Not trying to beat the photo thing like a dead horse. We all care about each other's collections first and wallets as well. I sometimes feel sellers skimp on photos. It is either laziness, ignorance or they are hiding something. If your shelling out the cash for an item you DESERVE and should EXPECT pictures of every angle of the dagger and hanger you desire to gauge authenticity.
Here is also a nice enlarged blow up of this maker's logo for comparison from another dagger elsewhere:
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