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    Not sure what the cloth item is was with the 2 badges could be Sudan ?IMG_0002.jpgIMG_0003.jpgIMG_0006.jpg

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    I think the badges like a British Army collar badge. Unfortunately I can't find an identical one to be able to assign it to a regiment.

    20241020_162428.jpg - Information from the book Orders & Badges in World War II by Leslie McDonnell

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    Hi there.

    A search brings up this possible match -

    Manchester Regiment Collar Badge.

    Just to note that it seems there are quite a few Regiments that used similar badges.

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    The Manchester Regiment was a regiment of the British army, formed in 1881 by the amalgamation of the 63rd Regiment of Foot and the 96th Regiment of Foot into the 1st and 2nd Battalions. The regiment amalgamated with the King’s Regiment (Liverpool) in 1958, to form the King’s Regiment (Manchester and Liverpool). During the First World War the 2nd Manchesters embarked for France with the 5th Division in August 1914 and contributed to the rearguard actions that supported the British Expeditionary Force’s retreat following the Battle of Mons. Engaged in the battles of the Marne, the Aisne and “First Ypres”, the 2nd Battalion was the regiment’s sole representative on the Western Front until the arrival of the Indian Corps, comprising two infantry divisions and cavalry. Each brigade contained a constituent British battalion, the 1st Manchesters being the Jullundur’s of the Lahore Division. Severe casualties were sustained by the 1st Manchesters and its brigade during the Battle of Neuve Chapelle. A succession of intensely fought battles followed, culminating in Second Ypres and Loos.

    The 1st Battalion embarked for Mesopotamia in late 1915, accompanying the infantry element of the Indian Corps. On 1 July 1916, the First Day of the Somme, the regiment had nine battalions committed, including the Manchester Pals. The day proved to be the deadliest in the British Army’s history, with more than 57,000 killed, wounded or missing. The regiment continued its involvement in the Somme Offensive. In late July, the 16th, 17th, and 18th Manchesters, attacked an area in the vicinity of the small village of Guillemont. During the action, Company Sergeant-Major George Evans, of the 18th, volunteered to deliver an important message, having witnessed five previous, fatal attempts to do so. He delivered his message, running more than half a mile despite being wounded. He was awarded the Victoria Cross. Preparations for a new offensive in the Ypres sector had got under-way in June with a preliminary assault on Messines. The Manchester Pals’ Brigade fought in the offensive’s opening battle, at Pilckem Ridge, on 31 July. Conditions during “Third Ypres” (or Passchendaele) reduced the battleground to an intractable morass. During “Third Ypres”, Sergeant Coverdale, of the 11th Manchesters, killed three snipers, rushed two machine gun positions, then reorganised his platoon to capture another position, though after advancing some distance was forced back due to bombardment from the British artillery, suffering nine casualties in the advance.

    In March 1918, the German Army launched an all-out offensive in the Somme sector. Faced with the prospect of continued American reinforcement of the Allied armies, the Germans urgently sought a decisive victory on the Western Front. On the morning of 21 March, the 16th Manchesters occupied positions in an area known as Manchester Hill, near to St. Quentin. A large German force attacked along the 16th’s front, being repulsed in parts, but completely overwhelming the battalion elsewhere. Some positions lost were recaptured in counter-attacks by the 16th. Though encircled, the 16th continued to resist the assault, encouraged by its commanding officer, Lieutenant-Colonel Elstob. During the course of the battle, Elstob single-handedly repulsed a grenadier attack and made a number of journeys to replenish dwindling ammunition supplies. At one point, he sent a message to Brigade that “The Manchester Regiment will defend Manchester Hill to the last”, to his men he had told them “Here we fight, and here we die”. The 16th Manchesters effectively ceased to exist as a coherent body. Lieutenant-Colonel Elstob was awarded a posthumous Victoria Cross. An attempt to retake the hill was later made by the 17th Manchesters with heavy losses. Two more Victoria Crosses were awarded to the regiment in the final months of the war.

    When Germany invaded France in May 1940, the 2nd, 5th and 1/9th Manchesters formed part of the British Expeditionary Force – the 2nd and 1/9th were MG battalions. Despite putting up a stubborn defence, the BEF went into retreat, the Manchesters being engaged along the way. Much of the expeditionary force converged on Dunkirk, where hundreds of ships evacuated more than 330,000 soldiers to Britain. Of the surviving men of the 2nd Manchesters, more than 300 men were evacuated. Fewer than 200 remained, fighting until being either captured or killed. The 5th and 1/9th were also evacuated, having sufferered light casualties. The evacuation ended on 3 June. On 27 June 1944, the 1st Manchesters landed in France, 21 days after the invasion had begun. The battalion took part in a number of engagements in the area around Caen, which was captured by British and Canadian Forces on 9 July. The battalion advanced across Northern France, reaching Antwerp in Belgium in early September. The 1st Manchesters, along with the rest of the 53rd (Welsh) Division, moved to Turnhout, before advancing later that month into the Netherlands, where the 1st and 7th Manchesters saw heavy action. The 1st Manchesters, after entering German territory in the face of the Wehrmacht’s defences, crossed the Rhine with the 53rd Division in late March. The 7th Manchesters saw its last fighting in Bremen, when that city was captured on 26 April. The 1st Manchesters ended the war in Hamburg when that city surrendered on 3 May.

    Manchester Regiment Collar Badge

    Kind regards,

    Will.

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    I was able to find this in the book "The Great Military Collector's Book" by Podzun-Pallas

    20241020_163109.jpg - The Lincolnshire Regiment
    20241020_163126.jpg - South Wales Borders
    20241020_163147.jpg - The Glouceshire Regiment
    20241020_163137.jpg - The Dorsetshire Regiment

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    Thank you all for the help any suggestions about the cloth item ?

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    I think that your assumption of a Sudanese link is probably correct. The cloth certainly has a look of being of Middle East origins.

    Cheers,
    Steve

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