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Alex Coppel Solingen, m1877 Grass bayonet, is it Ersatz?

Article about: Hello again, I stumbled to another oddity for sale. German made Grass bayonet, or it looks like it. When comparing to standard Grass bayonet, there are lot differences, 1. Knobs in crossguar

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    Default Alex Coppel Solingen, m1877 Grass bayonet, is it Ersatz?

    Hello again, I stumbled to another oddity for sale.
    German made Grass bayonet, or it looks like it.

    When comparing to standard Grass bayonet, there are lot differences,
    1. Knobs in crossguard has been filed Off
    2. Muzzle ring is remade to higher position with smaller muzzle ring
    3. There is Slize cut off from Pommel block
    Alex Coppel Solingen, m1877 Grass bayonet, is it Ersatz?

    Normal standard m1877 Grass bayonet for reference
    Alex Coppel Solingen, m1877 Grass bayonet, is it Ersatz?

    Is this "Ersatz"? And is it re-made to what rifle model?

    Alex Coppel Solingen, m1877 Grass bayonet, is it Ersatz? Alex Coppel Solingen, m1877 Grass bayonet, is it Ersatz?
    Alex Coppel Solingen, m1877 Grass bayonet, is it Ersatz?
    Alex Coppel Solingen, m1877 Grass bayonet, is it Ersatz? Alex Coppel Solingen, m1877 Grass bayonet, is it Ersatz?

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    Gras was M1874, not M1877, and with one s, but anyway: Probably a Chilean Gras conversion for the M1895 Mauser carbine.

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    Same opinion, should be compared firstly the handle, is same lenght as Gras? when yes then it could be delivery to export country as it doesnt have any french marking, the blade was made by Coppel in Germany, the conversion was probably made for chilean rifle M1895, should be measured the MRD of barell ring when 15,5mm it should be so.

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    Thanks for answers, thanks for Mauser reverence, found new possible options as well

    First
    Belgian variant: Mauser 1889 Carbine with bayonet - shorter variant, reconditioned during World War I, using the Gras bayonet
    I only found this text line. No photo

    Second
    Turkish Model 1890 rifle.
    Belgians sold 280.000 rifles to turks, which was improved model of Mauser 1889. These were used in First balkan war 1912, and remained in reserve until 1950-ties.

    Ottoman soldier with a M1890 rifle. Notice Gras bayonet
    Alex Coppel Solingen, m1877 Grass bayonet, is it Ersatz?

    Third
    Greek M1939 bayonet
    The period 1932-1939 Greece manufactured the M1939 bayonet, it was a modification of the Gras Model 1874 bayonet and was used by Greek soldiers in World War II.
    Second lowest has similar handle
    Alex Coppel Solingen, m1877 Grass bayonet, is it Ersatz?

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    Unfortunally i dont believe on the ottoman picture You have Gras bayonet there is clearly a M1890 turkish bayonet, note the press button on right side!
    Secondly belgian used normal french Gras bayonet that were preserved for civilian market but buyed by german and other armies in 1914, even already total obsolete.
    Thirdly the greek conversion is much earlier as 1939, it was made from old storages of greek Gras M1874 which normally should be austrian production or french delivery in WW1, but the conversion was done for Mannlicher M1903 /14 which means different barell ring diameter, this is the reason why i asked for MRD inner diameter!
    https://ebayonet.com/15600/15653.jpg

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    The ring diameter is 17 millimeters.

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    By inner diameter of 17mm?? should be 17,4mm in real case, it could be converted teoretically as belgian conversion for M1889 rifle. Chile and Greece would be out of run then.

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