WW1 Austrian Swords?

[tony75]

Hello
What are your thoughts on these swords?

I was leaning towards Austrian?
They were found in a old GAR post that is why they are painted gold
Thank you very much

Sorry about the pics being out of order!
Tony

[AndyB]

Should be removed the gold color paint as some marking could be on blade or other parts, the second piece could be M185? piece, anyway the Korb is heavy dented?

[Anderson]

The top one with the holes in guard is a possible variation on the M1869 Austro-Hungarian sabre. The lower one with large cut outs in guard is a Prussian M1852 Cavalry sabre. Both fairly rusted but issued combat swords, not dress. Post 1906 era.

[AndyB]

M1869 was not with quillback, so it should be earlier modell of austrian sabre.

[tony75]

Hello
Thank you all for the help
I really appreciate it
Tony

[Anderson]

M1869 not with quillback? Not necessarily correct given most manufacturers would offer a hilt with 4 or 5 possible blade options. The quillback blade was around for a long time, from mid 1800's and popular just before WW1. This sword with the single hanger ring likely indicates it was made after 1906, so quite possible to have it paired with the M1869 hilt.

[AndyB]

Yes the explanation could be probably easy, they used older blade with newer handguard here, anyway this guard or Korb is M1869 looks as not proper on that blade probably, heavy bented and the grip looks short, the blade is typical with quilback for M1845 Officer sabre. Scabbard has lost his end and possible one ring. It was done long ago. M1869 blade has normally only one fuller on side, and was normiert, so should be marked for Manschaften on ricasso.After 100 or 120 years wrongly stored You will not say how its realised.

[AndyB]

On german forum was pictured similar piece as the austrian sabre, and with doubble fullered blade and declared as M1859 Baden Cavalry Sabre, so its possible both sabres here are german, the one with M1869 handguard could be Wurttemberg or small german state around of 50ies of 19.cntr. Wout details of marking, this could be not clearly determine to Austria-Ugria.