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Odd Pattern 1937 webbing; WW2/Post War

Article about: First look appears like usual WW2 era Pattern 37 webbing water bottle carrier, but the attachment belt hooks were a surprise to me. The maker mark appears to by the Canadian company of ZL&am

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    Quote by Anderson View Post
    That's brilliant Rene. I think the story and sequence of development is now clear.
    No probs Mate

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    Okie now what's this one? not '37 patt but???? well it does work with it.

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    Quote by Rick W View Post
    The other box marked 1945 were all modified with belt attachment .

    Cheers Rick
    Hey Rick, if you still have a '45 marked example please give us a looksy? never seen Canadian kit marked past '43!
    Last edited by reneblacky; 02-29-2020 at 03:40 AM. Reason: added text

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    Rene would that be something to support a back pack or radio.

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    Quote by geelong View Post
    Rene would that be something to support a back pack or radio.
    Cheers Mark Mate, I wonder? never been able to pin point what or which? I thought also it could be for some form of heavy weapon too???

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    credit to member specopsaust for info on pics on P37/43 pacific modified web water bottle carrier ZL&T/NSN

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    Australia started using NSNs 1961-1963
    Conversions were made 1942-43 for the Australian P'43 Jungle webbing from existing stocks
    Starting in 1943 a purpose built version was made with a wider band for c hook attachment most made in Australia some in Canada.
    NSNs were added during the Vietnam War for re-issue for use with 8465-66-024-1074 Cover, Water Canteen Woolen (used in training with the M1951 Canteen)
    NSN 8465-66-013-7540 for the converted version
    NSN 8465-66-013-7541 for 1943-45 version
    No Carriers were made or converted during the Vietnam were existing stock were just NSNed
    Odd Pattern 1937 webbing; WW2/Post War
    Odd Pattern 1937 webbing; WW2/Post War
    (Photo from Tales from the Supply Depot)
    Odd Pattern 1937 webbing; WW2/Post War
    (Photo E-Bay)

    P'43 Jungle Webbing
    Odd Pattern 1937 webbing; WW2/Post War
    Odd Pattern 1937 webbing; WW2/Post War
    Odd Pattern 1937 webbing; WW2/Post War
    (Photos from Rick Landers Article "Australian Load Carrying Equipment 1945-1988")

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    Rick Landers article
    Australian Load Carrying Equipment 1945-1988 by Rick Landers

    Australian P'62 was used a lot of P'37 (P'43) & P'44
    1st issue 1962 was M1956 straight from US Stocks and had US FSN numbers
    ie: 8465-191-0366 Canteen Aluminum M1951 (1962)
    8465-577-4924 Belt, Individual Equipment M1956 large

    2nd issue 1963 was built in the US to Australian specs and had US foreign sale NSNs (50 added to FSN for Australia)
    ie: 8465-50-191-0366 Canteen Aluminum AUS (1963)
    8465-50-577-4924 Belt, Individual Equipment M1956 large

    some items of M1956 webbing proved inadequate so items of P'37 & P'44 were supplemented first in original color (P'37 later re-dyed green)
    P'37 frogs NSN 8465-66-013-5077
    P'43 frogs NSN 8465-66-014-6030
    P'62 frogs (S61 purpose Built) NSN 8465-66-014-8756
    P'37 Large Pack NSN 8465-66-013-7556
    P'37 Haversacks NSN 8465-66-013-7551
    P'37 Pouches Basic Small (AUST)
    P'43 Pouches Basic Large (AUST)
    P'43 Pocket, Ammunition Owen SMG
    P'44 Pouches Basic NSN 8465-99-973-6189 & 8465-99-973-6190
    P'44 Haversacks NSN 8465-99-973-6185
    1956 P'44 Holster, Pistol (Canadian P'51) NSN 1095-99-973-6492
    1956 P'44 Golok Machete & Sheath NSNs 5110-99-120-9242 & 8465-99-120-9964
    1956 P'44 Canteen Mk 2 (rubber cap), Cup, & Carrier NSNs 8465-99-973-6178, 8465-99-973-6180, & 8465-99-973-6179

    Starting in 1965 Australia began making their own P'62 including:
    A modified Canteen Carrier (low mount strap like the P'44 carrier) NSN 8465-50-577-4926
    New Pouches, Ammunition Large NSN 8465-66-026-1864
    Pocket, Ammunition F1 SMG NSN 8465-66-021-1997
    Canteen, Cover Woolen NSN 8465-66-024-1074
    Canteen, Water 2 qt Complete (bladder type US copy) NSN 8465-66-024-1073
    Field Pack, Large Canvas (olive drab, 18 inches x 14 inches x 7 inches) NSN 8465-66-026-2269
    Canteen, Water 1 qt Plastic (bought from Canada) NSN 8465-71-108-8703 (71 is Canadian foreign sales number for Australia Canadian NSN is 8465-21-108-8703)
    Australian version of Golok Machete with sheath

    In 1967 Australia adopted the M16A1 Rifle & used ammo pouches brought from Malaya
    1967 P'58 Pouch, Ammunition, SAS, Self loading rifle NSN 8465-99-130-0247
    1967 P'58 Pouch, Ammunition, SAS, Armalite NSN 8465-99-130-0248

    Diggers would use this mix & match through out their time in Vietnam
    1970-71 set up
    Odd Pattern 1937 webbing; WW2/Post War
    (photo from Australian War Memorial Web site)
    see web page for set up description
    Composite webbing set : Trooper D R Barnby, 2 Squadron, Special Air Service Regiment | Australian War Memorial
    Odd Pattern 1937 webbing; WW2/Post War
    Odd Pattern 1937 webbing; WW2/Post War
    Odd Pattern 1937 webbing; WW2/Post War
    (Donald Barnby)

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