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05-06-2010 11:06 PM
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Re: A New Pioneer Erkennungsmarken
Hello,
I think the unit from the EM is:
Ersatz Kompanie für Pionier Züge (motorisiert) 4 (Pionier Ersatz Bataillon 4) - replacement company for motorised engineer platoons/ 4 engineers replacement battalion
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Re: A New Pioneer Erkennungsmarken
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Stacez
Hello,
I think the unit from the EM is:
Ersatz Kompanie für Pionier Züge (motorisiert) 4 (Pionier Ersatz Bataillon 4) - replacement company for motorised engineer platoons/ 4 engineers replacement battalion
Hi, Thanks for info. Then "Züge" is a motorist or motorized.
What is Züge literally in German, do you know?
Regards, Steve
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Re: A New Pioneer Erkennungsmarken
It's "motorised" and Zug = platoon (Züge = platoons)
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Re: A New Pioneer Erkennungsmarken
Stacez- do you have a reason for believing it's Pionier-Ersatz-Bataillon 4? It doesn't make any sense to me to have the marking 'Ersatz-Kompanie für Pionier Züge' if the unit is already a Pionier Ersatz one- it's redundant, plus I'm unaware of any such unit ever associated with a standard Ersatz-Batillon.
These 'Ersatz Kompanie für xyz Züge' type discs are very uncommon (few such units existed) and the one I know- Ersatz-Kompanie-für Infanterie-Reiter-Züg 44- I'm fairly sure was part of the 44. Infanterie-Division; it's a rare subunit of a Division, hence doesn't appear on any major list of Wehrmacht units. I would expect this one was of the same nature- the parent unit being the 4. Infanterie-Divison...
Nice stuff though- Kilroy; Sammler does mean 'collector', but in this case I suspect it's 'accumulator'- since that's a real electrical part (a rechargable storage battery).
Last edited by Matt L; 05-07-2010 at 04:08 PM.
Ohhhhh- pillage then burn...
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Re: A New Pioneer Erkennungsmarken
Matt L, I think you're right. It rather belonged directly to 4. Infanterie Division than to typical Pionier Ersatz Bataillon. It was my first impression when I took a look on it that for some reason it might belong to this battalion. Maybe due to it isn't so common EM.
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Re: A New Pioneer Erkennungsmarken
Yeah, that's the trouble with these discs that have a detailed, specific small unit description and then just a number for the parent- you're always left wondering what exactly that parent might be. Sometimes I wonder about the logic behind some Erkennungsmarke text- if they're meant to identify a soldier, why make it difficult to understand what the unit who holds this identity might be?
Ohhhhh- pillage then burn...
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Re: A New Pioneer Erkennungsmarken
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Stacez
It's "motorised" and Zug = platoon (Züge = platoons)
Ahhh...OK, thank you for translation...nice to learn new info...Züge
Regards, Steve
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Re: A New Pioneer Erkennungsmarken
by
Matt L
Stacez- do you have a reason for believing it's Pionier-Ersatz-Bataillon 4? It doesn't make any sense to me to have the marking 'Ersatz-Kompanie für Pionier Züge' if the unit is already a Pionier Ersatz one- it's redundant, plus I'm unaware of any such unit ever associated with a standard Ersatz-Batillon.
These 'Ersatz Kompanie für xyz Züge' type discs are very uncommon (few such units existed) and the one I know- Ersatz-Kompanie-für Infanterie-Reiter-Züg 44- I'm fairly sure was part of the 44. Infanterie-Division; it's a rare subunit of a Division, hence doesn't appear on any major list of Wehrmacht units. I would expect this one was of the same nature- the parent unit being the 4. Infanterie-Divison...
Nice stuff though- Kilroy; Sammler does mean 'collector', but in this case I suspect it's 'accumulator'- since that's a real electrical part (a rechargable storage battery).
Hello Matt, thank you for the detailed information about my gift tag. This is very interesting information I never could have researched myself.
So you have not seen many of this type erkennungsmarken?
I have not either, and that is why I posted it....it looked odd to me.
My friend is watching when he goes digging for Pioneer discs for me, because I told him I collect ordnance and grenades. He is also watching for motorcycle related items, because I am a bike rider for all my life. He has sent some motorcycle parts and a Kradch? Erkennungsmarken also that I showed a while back. So far these are nice gifts he gives me
Do you know what the Garantie metal plate is? maybe I should post in another section?
Regards, Steve
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Re: A New Pioneer Erkennungsmarken
Hi Steve,
No, I've never seen this particular type of Pionier disc before in fact- only the Reiter type I mentioned, but it was clear what it was from that similarity.
I have no idea what the other plate is though.
Ohhhhh- pillage then burn...
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