Shoulder Boards Identification

[Zegengeim]

Dear Gentlemen,
Сould you help identify these shoulder boards?

Advance thanks for Your replies.

Regards,
Anton.

1st

[Zegengeim]

2nd

[Verikauha]

I also don't know what these are, but not ww1 era.

First looks like some forester, custom or conductor epaulets, and that Blue-silver, maybe French or Polish thing?

Here is Imperial shoulderstrap guide
Imperial German Shoulder Board Identification Gallery