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11-29-2011 01:39 AM
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Re: Help in Identification of Disc or Tag?
In my opinion, the German disc is a replica, but wait for other opinions...it is not my area.
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Re: Help in Identification of Disc or Tag?
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carltiger
In my opinion, the German disc is a replica, but wait for other opinions...it is not my area.
I'm just curious, they didn't cost me anything, free!
I am always carefull on German items and no longer collect German, stopped years ago due to the fakery. Be interesting to get other opinions, if its fake, great to know.
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Re: Help in Identification of Disc or Tag?
Well if your question is about the Soviet piece, this isn't the right place- this is German stuff, so you'd have to go to the Soviet section.
The German one is real- it's Pionier-Park-Kompanie/ Brückenbau-Bataillon 683:
Brückenbau-Bataillon 683
1. Aufstellung:
* 28.8.1939 im WK XII; Pionier-Brücken-Bataillon 683 seit 19.8.1943.
2. Unterstellung:
Heerestruppe: Westen (Kommandant der Rheinübergänge); 1941 Rußland, 1942 18. Armee
(Heeresgruppe Nord), 1944/45 2. Armee Narew, Westpreußen
3. Ersatz:
68 (Eisenbahn) Rehagen, WK III; 22.2.1940 E 3 (Brückenbau) Brieg, Neiße, Metz, WK VIII/XII
I couldn't say just what a 'Pionier-Park-Kompanie' is exactly, but there were 10 Bataillone of them plus a number of other units with Pionier-Park-Kompanien in them. The unit isn't listed as having gone to Stalingrad, so this soldier must have been transferred at some point; there were a lot of small Pionier units used in the battle- perhaps he was 'lent' for that...
Ohhhhh- pillage then burn...
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Re: Help in Identification of Disc or Tag?
Matt L: Pionier/engineer Park is the the unit within a regiment as an example, which is responsible for all the specialized vehicles. Diggers, off road forklifts, trucks carrying mines and equipment and so forth. So in this case it will have been a entire Kompanie made up like this. In the Danish army there will be a Park "Abteilung" in a Pionier/Engineer Regiment. I hope it clarifies the term. Hope my English is not too muddy for explanation.
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Re: Help in Identification of Disc or Tag?
Quite an interesting and unusual EK , 6th Armee had a mass of differnet Pionier units attached to it any idea of the exact location that it was found ?
The gates of hell were opened and we accepted the invitation to enter" 26/880 Lance Sgt, Edward Dyke. 26th Bn Northumberland Fusiliers , ( 3rd Tyneside Irish )
1st July 1916
Thought shall be the harder , heart the keener,
Courage the greater as our strength faileth.
Here lies our leader ,in the dust of his greatness.
Who leaves him now , be damned forever.
We who are old now shall not leave this Battle,
But lie at his feet , in the dust with our leader
House Carles at the Battle of Hastings
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Re: Help in Identification of Disc or Tag?
by
Datrus
Matt L: Pionier/engineer Park is the the unit within a regiment as an example, which is responsible for all the specialized vehicles. Diggers, off road forklifts, trucks carrying mines and equipment and so forth. So in this case it will have been a entire Kompanie made up like this. In the Danish army there will be a Park "Abteilung" in a Pionier/Engineer Regiment. I hope it clarifies the term. Hope my English is not too muddy for explanation.
Ah, thanks very much Datrus- I knew 'Park' referred to a vehicle park, but for some reason couldn't think of just what Pioniers would have to do with that; of course heavy machinery makes perfect sense- I should have realized that LOL
Last edited by Matt L; 11-29-2011 at 05:00 PM.
Ohhhhh- pillage then burn...
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Re: Help in Identification of Disc or Tag?
Thanks all! All I know it was from the northern end of the City. I will try to find out the exact location. Still curious on the Soviet tag?
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Re: Help in Identification of Disc or Tag?
Sure thing- and as I wrote, this is the German identity disc section- if you want to know about Soviet stuff, you have to try the Soviet section...
Ohhhhh- pillage then burn...
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Re: Help in Identification of Disc or Tag?
by
Datrus
Matt L: Pionier/engineer Park is the the unit within a regiment as an example, which is responsible for all the specialized vehicles. Diggers, off road forklifts, trucks carrying mines and equipment and so forth. So in this case it will have been a entire Kompanie made up like this. In the Danish army there will be a Park "Abteilung" in a Pionier/Engineer Regiment. I hope it clarifies the term. Hope my English is not too muddy for explanation.
Hello,
Well, actually the question was about the Pionier-Park-Kompanie not Pionier-Park itself cause it makes a little difference...
Pionier-Parks (like other army parks) were established at army level. There was not any Pionier-Park at the regiment level! Pionier-Park was located mainly to the rear of the army railheads. It was responsible for repairs but it also was supposed to maintain a reserve of between 5-10 percent of the construction materials as well as engineer equipment of the army, and to forward this equipment either directly or through collecting points to units.
Jumping now to the Pionier-Park-Kompanie (engineer equipment park company). Matt already mentioned one important thing - theye were part of Brückenbau-Bataillon. Normally, such battalion consisted of four construction companies and one Pionier-Park-Kompanie. I can add only one thing that this company was composed of personnel assigned to Pionier-Park.
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