maybe italian, forums-newbie needs help to identify ...

[wolfganggo]

maybe italian, forums-newbie needs help to identify ...
good evening gents
some days ago i saw the following at an online-fleemarket

maximum diameter is
-- 64,4 mm at the bottom
-- 64,6 at the top

overall lenght 193 mm
middle of the drive band to bottom approx. 26 mm

any ideas ??
italian 65mm shrapnel ??

regards wolfganggo

[vegetius]

Pictures with a scale and any indication of it's history / location / provenance would be good, as well as why you think it is Italian?

It appears to be a BL or QF Separate shell and the Italian 65mm Shrapnel from WW1 is about right.

The 65/17mm HE has the length of that minus the fuze that should be 234mm. They do however appear to use a friction fit into the Cart case which is unusual in the least! It is reported however that the 65/17mm could also be fitted with a Nose Fuze A. D. E. M06/17 instead of the normal Nose Percussion Fuze M10 which involved the removal of the fuze adaptor. So if that is also missing it could allow for the length as the remainder seems to fit and the design is unusual due to no cannelure groove which also fits.

Any one recognise the manufacturer's stamp?

[wolfganggo]

... i'll try to get pix with scale attached

i searched my documents and found no german, no french and no russian caliber with 65 mm'ers
so i did an google search and found the itallian 65 mm mountain gun
TM9-1985-6 deliverd some hints to be on correct track, but i'm not sure ....

[wolfganggo]

..by the way, i found absolut nothing regarding british ammunition, any hints for me, where to find documents ....