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Reworked bayonet Werder 1869?

Article about: Good day! Is offered here is such bayonet. Reworked bayonet Werder 1869? The sheath is not native? Am asking help in determining.

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    Good day! Is offered here is such bayonet. Reworked bayonet Werder 1869? The sheath is not native? Am asking help in determining.
    Reworked bayonet Werder 1869?
    Reworked bayonet Werder 1869?
    Reworked bayonet Werder 1869?
    Reworked bayonet Werder 1869?

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    More photos of the handle.

    Reworked bayonet Werder 1869?
    Reworked bayonet Werder 1869?
    Reworked bayonet Werder 1869?
    Reworked bayonet Werder 1869?

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    It is a 1869 Werder bayonet, but it's been modified (around mortice slot) to fit another rifle, possibly the 1871/84 Mauser some time after the 1870 unification of Bavaria with Prussia, and the Werder rifle being made obsolete. The scabbard is also not the original, which should be of brown leather with brass chape and throat fittings.

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    A German bayonet, but no regimental mark? What's that supposed to mean?

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    A Bavarian bayonet, and most you see are similarly marked to this one.

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    Quote by Anderson View Post
    A Bavarian bayonet, and most you see are similarly marked to this one.
    Bavarian bayonets , probably. This bayonet converted to М1871 or М1871/1884. This is the period of United Germany. Should there be regimental markings by now?

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    Not necessarily, as Bavaria tended to do their own thing. But the key point is it's authentic, and it shows evidence of being modified to fit a later rifle. The Werder bayonets that we see today are either like this one and modified, or they remain in original specification and not modified to use with the 1871/84 Mauser.

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    There is no other unit only a serial number which is typical for a bavarian M1869, anyway it was reworked to other rifle, mostly M1871/84 or M88.Should be looked at muzzle ring diameter inside? Scabbard is little different, b.r.Andy

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    Quote by Anderson View Post
    Not necessarily, as Bavaria tended to do their own thing. But the key point is it's authentic, and it shows evidence of being modified to fit a later rifle. The Werder bayonets that we see today are either like this one and modified, or they remain in original specification and not modified to use with the 1871/84 Mauser.
    Thanks for the explanation. I've seen altered bayonets and regimental markings. It is important that the bayonet is genuine.

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    Quote by AndyB View Post
    There is no other unit only a serial number which is typical for a bavarian M1869, anyway it was reworked to other rifle, mostly M1871/84 or M88.Should be looked at muzzle ring diameter inside? Scabbard is little different, b.r.Andy
    Unfortunately, I can't make a measurement of the diameter of the ring.
    I, too, think, that the scabbard not original – the other type of needle tip. Perhaps there were such options? I haven't.

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