by
tubist73
Hi everyone,
A little late to the thread but I'll chime in with a couple of opinions that may help. I speak as a former professional brass player and collector of military brass instruments, for whatever that's worth.
The bugle that started the thread, as already noted, may well be a 'real' bugle that is playable and could have been manufactured by a company who also made military bugles. There's a very high chance of this, as there was a huge market for them to equip Scouts, Boys' Brigade, school groups and more. Often, the only difference is the broad arrow stamped on the bell. In this case there is no obvious maker's stamp but this is also not that strange (it could even be under the badge). What I can say is that the badge has been fitted to bump up the attractiveness and price. This is not an airborne bugle!
The easiest way to be sure is to play the bugle. Properly made instruments sound better and, to a player, feel authentic to play. Fakes often have air leaks which are obvious when played but, even without leaking, fake instruments do not make a clean sound or play in tune. From the pictures I can say I like the quality of manufacture, there are details that most fakes omit, the patina does not look artificial and the mouthpieces are correct bugle designs. Trumpet or cornet mouthpieces on the market are not the same. The separate mouthpiece has an extension designed to lengthen the bugle and change it to a lower pitch.
The one thing I do not like is the diamond shaped bracket holding the ring for the mouthpiece chain. All the 30+ original bugles I own have oval brackets, including British, Indian, US. The chain is definitely not original - these are always bigger, thicker chains and often go missing. A close up image of the bracket and ring might make it clear if this is just a rare anomaly or if it's been added later.
Finally, the second instrument posted by Jerry is not actually a bugle. It is a cavalry trumpet, longer in length and almost definitely pitched in Eb (nice, by the way. I have never seen an Indian-made cavalry trumpet before). You can see the tubing is narrower and the flare on the bell is different. This lower pitch actually allows higher notes to be played on the harmonic series, meaning more melodic variety is possible in the cavalry calls. Almost all bugles around the world are pitched in Bb.
I hope this helps. I'll try and post a few pictures to illustrate these points over the next couple of days.
Matthew
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