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04-16-2016 04:15 PM
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Looks like a nice original early helmet to me well done
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Well, it seems this is a bit more unusual than I thought.
I believe this is an early Bundeswehr trial helmet which was originally produced for the newly reformed Fallschirmjaeger. They trialled this helmet as one of several types and eventually selected the M1 "style" that we all are familiar with. I do wonder if image had anything to do with it as I must say that this is a very practical and comfortable helmet not dissimilar to the British HSAT. I would willingly jump with a lid like this even in these days of Kevlar / composite lids. Of course, it has obvious similarity of appearance to the WWII item. Perhaps this was adjudged unsuitable for a new and closely co-operating member of NATO?
As we know the BGS were not phased by such appearances and they adopted this design (with different liner and redesigned chinstrap) as they did the M35 helmet shape (also a different liner) but then they were a much more "internal security force" and less likely to mix with other NATO forces.
Anyway, this is not a mainstream BW helmet nor is it BGS / GSG.
In terms of the steel helmet timeline of the German forces I think this is a bit of a gem but can anybody out there give me some facts please?
Regards
Mark
Last edited by Watchdog; 04-17-2016 at 08:56 PM.
Reason: typo
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Great pick up Mark and it looks in cherry condition
Semper Fi
Phil
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I started off thinking I had seen pictures of a number of the early West German LL helmets and was concerned that I didn't remember any with the spanner bolts similar to those on the wartime FJ helmets. My first bits of research (web and books only as I have none of these highly desirable objects in real life) seemed to confirm my suspicions, but then checking the Wehrmacht Awards site seemed to bring better news. Mark, take a look here - lots of information - Para Helmet - Wehrmacht-Awards.com Militaria Forums
(NB I am by no stretch of the imagination a para helmet expert!)
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Here is another, the liner resembles that of the old FJ helmet, but the band is made of fibre. THe body is a cut-down non-magnetic Schwedenstahl Helm 1 body.
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Hello,
The discussion about the origin of these helmets has been going on for a long time.
They range from fake to navy to a test helmet of the early Bundeswehr paratroopers.
I also own helmets of this type and have so far been able to determine two variants with different screws and inner helmet manufacturers.
In advance:
I consider these helmets to be originals and products of the early Federal Republic of Germany. Due to the production method and the material, I consider counterfeiting to be excluded.
The only question is when, where and for whom were these helmets used.
The color is slate gray ... like the inner helmets of the early M1 Bundeswehr helmets.
Just like the early M1 helmets used by the Bundeswehr, they also have a welded-on edge made of stainless steel.
The interior fittings are based on those of the M38 helmets, but not identical.
Baer speaks in his book (Der Deutschen Stahlhelm Volume II) that it
- at least 12 different helmet shells
and
- 4 different interior fittings
gave.
In addition, there are probably hand samples and the manufacturers' own concept studies.
He also wrote that there are no more written awards or have been found.
Regards
The different variants have so far not been conclusively listed or researched anywhere, not even at Baer. He also makes explicit reference to this fact.
So it has so far neither been confirmed nor refuted that this model is an early test helmet for the Bundeswehr. According to the facts up to now, neither one nor the other is possible without a doubt.
And in my opinion, gut instinct, belief or opinions alone are by far not enough.
There have also been trials with such a helmet model at the German Navy.
As far as I know, the area of early police has not yet been examined in detail.
Regards
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