SS Metal Visor Insignia Skull & Eagle Identification List

[Empereur]

HELPFUL IDENTIFICATION MATERIAL

SS METAL INSIGNIAS

The list below is intended to list all of the 'known' skull ¹ and metal visor eagle ² markings and their makers where they have been identified. This list is subject to change and should not be completely relied upon for a final determination of a good (or fake) item. Please do use it as an intial checklist only. Further advice regarding a piece in my opinion is a must ; which will benefit everyone in the long run.





SKULL INSIGNIAS ¹

Unmarked - Deschler & Sohn
GES.GESCH. - Deschler & Sohn
RZM GES GESCH - (no periods) Deschler & Sohn (RZM STAMPED ON BACK LOWER LEFT JAW)
RZM D.&S.M. GES.GESCH. - Deschler & Sohn (RZM STAMPED ON BACK LOWER LEFT JAW)
RZM 52 - Deschler & Sohn
RZM M1/52 - Deschler & Sohn
RZM 254/42 - Deschler & Sohn
RZM 499/41 - Fritz Zimmermann
RZM M1/24 - Overhoff & Cie.
GES.GESCH. - E. W. Assmann & Söhne
Unmarked - E. W. Assmann & Söhne
S.P.40 - Unknown possibly Overhoff & Cie.

EAGLE INSIGNIAS ²

RZM M1/52 - Deschler & Sohn
RZM SS 155/36 - E. W. Assmann & Söhne
RZM SS 155/38 - E. W. Assmann & Söhne
RZM SS 155/42 - E. W. Assmann & Söhne
RZM M1/17 - E. W. Assmann & Söhne
Unmarked - E. W. Assmann & Söhne
RZM M1/24 - Overhoff & Cie
RZM M1/72 - Fritz Zimmermann
RZM SS 499/42 M1/72 - Fritz Zimmermann
RZM SS M1/167 - Augustin Hicke
RZM M1/8 - Ferdinand Wagner
RZM SS 475/39 - Ferdinand Wagner
RZM SS 475/42 - Ferdinand Wagner
RZM 394-35 - Unknown
E.S.PF. - Unknown

Hope this information is found useful to the community; I will try to update the current information with a possible EK1 & EK2 list.

Happy Huntin'

Empereur ®

[bwanek1]

Some thoughts:

The unmarked skull usually attributed to Deschler is just that (attributed to Deschler). There is no evidence that it was made by Deschler, and, in fact, there are some distinct differences between these and ALL other Deschlers, which lead us to believe that it was actually made by someone else, as yet unknon.

I am not aware of a GES. GESCH. Deschler without the RZM mark.

Of the Deschlers which are marked RZM GES. GESCH., I am not certain that there were both a version with periods and one without periods. Rather, I tend to believe that some simply have less detail (due to worn dies), leaving the periods difficult or impossible to see.

I have seen no evidence that an original M1/17 Assmann skull ever existed. I would remove it from the list, rather than calling it unconfirmed.

You have the 155/36 Assmann eagle listed twice; I believe you meant for the second to be the 155/38.

I would call the E.S. PF. (no period between the P and F, by the way) unknown, but not unconfirmed. I believe there is now adequate evidence to confirm its originality, even though the maker is as yet only speculation.

Best,
Brad

[Empereur]

Thanks for the comment Brad, I'll update the list.

[John Brandon]

Thought i would help out with the EK numbers

Hope this is of some help

1 Deschler &Sohn Munchen 2 C.E. Junker Berlin 3 Wilheim Deumer Ludenscheld 4 Steinhauer & Luck Ludenscheld
5 Hermann Wernstein Jena-Lobstedt 6 Fritz Zimmermann Stuttgart
7 Paul Meyhauer Berlin 8 Ferdinand Hoffstadter Bonn a. Rhein
9 Liefergsmeinschaft Scmuckhandwerker Pforzheim 10 Foerster & Barth Pforzheim
11 Grossmann & Co. Wien 12 Frank & Reif Stuttgart-Zuffenhausen
13 Gustav Brehmer Markneukirchen/Sa 14 L. Chr. Lauer Nurnberg-W
15 Friedrich Orth Wien 16 Alols Rettenmaler Scwablsch-Gmund
17 (Unknown) 18 Karl Wurster K.G. Markneukirchen/Sa
19 E. Ferd Weidmann Frankfurt/Main 20 C.F. Zimmermann Pforzheim
21 Gebr. Godet & Co. Berlin 22 Boerger & Co. Berlin
23 Arbeitsgemeinschaft fur Heereshedarf darf In der Graveur-u. Ziseleurinnung
24 Arbeitsgemeinschaft der Hanauer Plaket-ten-hersteller
25 Arbeitsgemeinschaft der Graveur-Gold-und Silberschemiede-Innungen
26 B. H. Mayer's Kunst-prageanstalt Pforzheim 27 Anton Schenkl's Nachf. Wien
28 Eugen Schmidthaussier Pforzheim 29 Hauptmunzamt Berlin
30 Hauptmunzamt Wien 31 Hans Gnad Wien
32 W. Hobachter Wien 33 Friedrich Linden Ludenscheld
34 Willy Annetsberger Munchen 35 F.W. Assmann & Sohn Ludenscheld
36 Bury & Leonhard Hanau a. M 37 Ad. Baumeister Ludenscheld
38 (Unknown) 39 Rudolf Berge Gablonz a.d.N.
40 Berg & Nolte Ludenscheld 41 Geb. Bender Oberstein/Nahe
42 Biedermann & Co. Oberkassel b/Bonn 43 Julius Bauer Sohne Zella Mehlisi/Thur. 44 Jakob Bengel Idar/Oberdonau 45 Franz Jungwirth Wien
46 Hans Doppler Wels/Oberdonau 47 Erhard & Sohne A.G. Schwabisch Gmund 48 Richard Feix Gablonz a.d.N. 49 Josef Feix Sohne Gablonz a.d.N.
50 Karl Gschiermeister Wien 51 Eduard Goriach & Sohne Gablonz/N.
52 Gottlieb & Wagner Ldar/Oberstein 53 Glaser & Sohne Dresden
54 (Unknown) 55 J.E. Hammer & Sohne Geringswalde 56 Robert Hauschild Pforzheim
57 Karl Hensler Pforzheim 58 Artur Jakel & Co. Gablonz/N. 59 Louis Keller Oberstein
60 Katz & Deyhle Pforzheim 61 Rudolf A. Karneth & Sohne Gablonz a.N.
62 Kerbach & Oesterhelt Dresden 63 Franz Klast & Sohne Gablonz a.N.
64 Gottl. Fr. Keck & Sohn Pforzheim 65 Klein & Quenzer A.G. Idar/Oberstein
66 Freidrich Keller Oberstein 67 H. Krelsel Gablonz a.N. 68 Alfred Knobloch Gablonz a.N. 69 Alols Klammer Innsbruck 70 Lind & Meyrer Oberstein a.d.N.
71 Rudolf Leukert Oberstein a.d.N. 72 Franz Lipp Pforzheim 73 Frank Manert Gablonz a.N. 74 Carl Maurer Sohn Oberstein/Nahe 75 (Unknown)
76 Ernst L. Muller Pforzheim 77 Bayer. Hauptmunzamt Munchen
78 Gustav Miksch Gablonz/N. 79 (Unknown) 80 G.H. Osang Dresden
81 Overhoff & Cie Ludenscheid 82 Augustin Prager Gablonz a.N.
83 Emll Peukert Gablonz a.N. 84 Carl Poellath Schrobenhausen
85 Julius Pletsch Gablonz/N. 86 Paulmann & Crone Ludenscheid
87 Roman Palme Gablonz a.N. 88 Werner Redo Saarlautern
89 Rudolf Richter Schlag 244 b. Gablonz 90 Aug. F. Richter K.G. Hamburg
91 Josef Rossler & Co. Gablonz a.d.N. 92 Josef Rucker & Sohn Gablonz a.d.N. 93 Richard Simm & Sohne Gablonz a.d.N. 94 (Unknown)
95 Adolf Scholze Grunwald a.d.N. 96 (Unknown) 97 (Unknown)
98 Rudolf Souval Wien 99 Schwertner & Cle. Eggenberg
100 Rudolf Wachtler & Lange Mittweida 101 Rudolf Tam Gablonz a.d.N.
102 Philipp Turks Ww. Wien 103 Aug. G. Tam Gablonz a.d.N. 104 Hein. Ulbricht's Ww. Kaufing b/Schwanenstadt 105 Heinrich Vogt Pforzheim
106 Bruder Schneider A.G. Wien 107 Carl Wild Hamburg 108 Arno Wallpach Salzburg 109 Walter & Hentein Gablonz a.d.N. 110 Otto Zappe Gablonz a.d.N. 111 Ziemer & Sohne Oberstein 112 Argentor Werke Rust & Hetzel Wien 113 Hermann Aurich Dresden 114 Ludwig Bertsch Karlsruhe
115 (Unknown) 116 Frunke & Brunninghaus Ludenscheld 117 Hugo Lang Wiesenthal a.N. 118 August Menzs & Sohn Wien 119 (Unknown)
120 Franz Petzl Wien 121 (Unknown) 122 JJ. Stahl Strassburg 123 Beck, Hassinger & Co. Strassburg 124 Rudolf Schanes Wien 125 Eugen Gauss Pforzheim 126 Eduard Hahn Oberstein/Nahe 127 Moritz Hausch A.G. Pforzheim 128 S. Jablonski G.m.b.H. Posen 129 Fritz Kohm Pforzheim
130 Wilh. Schroder & Co. Ludenscheld 131 Heinrich Wander Gablonz
132 Franz Reischauer Oberstein 133 (Unknown) 134 Otto Klein & Co. Hanau
135 Julius Moser sen Oberstein 136 J.Wagner & Sohn Berlin 137 J.H. Werner Berlin 138 Julius Maurer Oberstein 139 Hymmen & Co. Ludenscheid
140 Schauerte & Hohfeld Ludenscheid 141 Sohni, Heubach & Co Oberstein
142 A.D. Schwerdt Stuttgart

[BILLYHUNT]

Hi, could anyone tell me if the ES PF skulls exist or not please?

[Winkelman]

No , they do not exist as originals .
They turned up some years ago , but are in fact reproductions of the Overhoff type skull .
And indeed the same type fake can be found marked M1/24 , note the wrong type attachments on both .

[Winkelman]

They are produced together with a fake " E.S. PF." marked eagle ..

[carlsson1982]

Here is a real ESPF eagle (not my property)

[BILLYHUNT]

Thank you, that was very helpful. Every time I buy a skull I always seem to buy rubbish !

[carlsson1982]

It is more than normal I can assure you. SS cap insignia are like fata morganas these days.