Here is good site where you can try to find decent flag for you, at this moment there is not so many on the sale, but keep your eyes open.
German WWII
Here is good site where you can try to find decent flag for you, at this moment there is not so many on the sale, but keep your eyes open.
German WWII
Erik,
Since you live in the United States you may want to look local first.. Now let me add to this that there are also some great overseas militaria dealers and I am not saying to not shop with them, but do some homework and some research on which places... be it in the US or overseas that offer money back guarantees and other assurances so you are not stuck with something afterwards that you are not happy with.. read the fine print,, if it says ALL SALES FINAL, be cautious...
And of course prior to purchase,, vet your items here to save you the pain of finding out too late your items are junk.. We have all been there so don't feel bad... You may have to deal with poor photos from the seller so don't be afraid to ask for better pictures from the seller. If they are willing to take better pictures of what you specifically request on an item such as maker tags, hallmarks, etc, then you know they are not hiding something, if they don't take better pictures then in most cases they are trying to hide something, so just beware of that as well...
Since you also asked where the flags come from...
Most of my flags have been direct vet purchases with provenance...
I would recommend that you look at Bill Shea's site "Ruptured Duck" and some of the Forum sponsors that are listed at the bottom of the forum page..
Daniel Griffin from Griffin Militaria is also a great person to deal with, an honest reputable dealer who offers money back guarantees as well as Bill Shea mentioned above...
https://www.warrelics.eu/forum/milit...ealers-corner/
Last thing and then I will get off the soap box and stop lecturing, RESEARCH and REFERENCES are your best friends.. Look at the many topics we have and don't be afraid to ask questions,,
We are here to help..
Good luck and happy collecting
Smitty
I agree.by Rakkasan187
Just a couple of things to make what I am saying come over as understandable;
The white reinforced edge that sits next to the flagstaff (pole) is called the hoist and that end of the flag is called the hoist end. The other end is called the fly end and the horizontal length is called the fly. The rope through the hoist is called the hoist line.
The wooden toggle is quite common throughout the world and is these days a feature of modern UK military flags too but is a economy version and the tradition style is used in high profile applications or on ships etc
The purpose of the hoist line is to attach the flag to the halyard (the rope that runs up the pole) which certainly in older or more traditional flags is often done with Inglefield clips (or swivels). Not too sure about German WWII flags but they wouldn't be wooden toggles like this.
The toggle fits through a bite (loop) tied in the halyard and is always at the top. The bottom end of the hoist line is simply knotted around the halyard. This is if you like, a low end cheaper way of doing it.
Traditionally military flags use something like the Inglefield clip (always brass in my experience)which is much more robust and secure plus the design allows the flag to be attached / detached in about three seconds.
As for the label, notwithstanding that it is a known fake mark, to me it is in a very modern style and just looks wrong to me straight away. In any case it is nothing like period German markings. The whole thing looks very modern in manufacturing style but I suspect it is not a fake per se (if it is intended to deceive the faker has never seen a real one) but possibly an honest if cheap reproduction for general decorative purpose as I don't think re-enactors would use it.
Another thing is that older and "professional use" flags tend to be multi-piece stitched construction rather than screen printed. I know there were a lot of TR printed flags but they tended to be non-military or decorative items rather than "pieces of equipment" if that makes sense. A military flag has to be able to take prolonged severe abuse without falling apart whilst decorative just have to be well, decorative.
As the guys have already said, being a new collector research is key and you are in the right place for that here. There are members here who specialise in things like this and I imagine that there are just as many museums etc in the US that would be more than happy to advise. The best thing to do in order to become acquainted with good versus bad is to seek out and handle the real thing. It works for me
Well, that's a lot of waffle just to sayso I hope it helps and I hope you get a refund
Regards
Mark
PS - Inglefield clip. A two piece item, one half attched to flag the other to the halyard top and bottom.
Last edited by Watchdog; 10-19-2020 at 06:53 PM. Reason: add pic
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Mark,
A wonderful and detailed explanation of the intricacies of flags and the terminology used..
Thank you once again for your thoughtful, insightful and informative reply..
Best regards BERLINER...
Smitty
No probs Smitty, I have made it something of a life mission to stop morons flying the Union Flag upside down (it would be kind of difficult to make such a mistake with the Stars and Stripes) which believe it or not some actually succeed in doingMark,
A wonderful and detailed explanation of the intricacies of flags and the terminology used..
Thank you once again for your thoughtful, insightful and informative reply..
Best regards BERLINER...
SmittySo yes, I have a pssing interest in flags.
Viel Spass in der Grossstadt
Mark
PS Union Jack has now crept into the dictionary but really it is only a Union Jack when flown from the "Jackstaff" on a ship. To me it will always be The Union Flag!
Last edited by Watchdog; 10-19-2020 at 05:57 PM. Reason: Typo
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing he cares more about than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature with no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
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