Helmet cover real or fake

**Dirk1969** · 07-25-2022, 01:05 PM

Dear all,
I can buy this helmet cover from a private collector
But I need your opinion of this helm cover, the seller says the cloth and clips are probably original, only the rivets have been renewed.
What do you think of the cloth and the camouflage pattern?
And why the clips rivets should have been new riveted?

Collector greetings
Dirk

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 07-25-2022 01:05 PM

We also buy and trade your items and full collections!

**Danmark** · 07-25-2022, 01:18 PM

I think the rivet story is just that - and to me the pattern looks off for Oak A or B.

**Dirk1969** · 07-25-2022, 10:18 PM

Hi Danmark,
ok what do think about the cloth could be good or not ?

Thank you

**Dirk1969** · 07-26-2022, 09:03 PM

some additional pictures from the other autum side

does anyone else have an opinion ?

Thank you in advance

**Anderson** · 07-26-2022, 11:23 PM

The stitching doesn't look like authentic period stitching as seen on other confirmed covers, and why would the rivets be replaced? Clearly the seller knows they are too large for a period cover. One to pass on I think. Good for reinactors not collectors.

**Dirk1969** · 07-27-2022, 01:35 PM

you are right, the stitching looks a bit new and I don't quite understand the story with the rivets?

Thank you for your feedback and help

That's what's so great about this forum

Sammler Grüße / Collector greetings

**MAP** · 07-27-2022, 02:39 PM

Agree with the other guys.

The stitching is modern. Compare to this photo.

**Dirk1969** · 07-29-2022, 09:03 AM

Thank you for your explanation with pictures

Best regards
Dirk

**Watchdog** · 07-29-2022, 10:02 AM

I agree with the comments so far. The one question I would want answered before even considering anything else is: why would (all) the rivets have been replaced if the cover itself is in a basically "serviceable" condition? Surely if all the rivets needed to be replaced for ANY reason the cover itself would be in tatters. I can't imagine any scenario in which all the rivets (just one that was a manufacturing defect, maybe) would be replaced rather than a new cover used, bearing in mind that in the period theses were "expendable" items.

Just a thought.

Mark

**MAP** · 07-29-2022, 02:16 PM

by Watchdog

I agree with the comments so far. The one question I would want answered before even considering anything else is: why would (all) the rivets have been replaced if the cover itself is in a basically "serviceable" condition? Surely if all the rivets needed to be replaced for ANY reason the cover itself would be in tatters. I can't imagine any scenario in which all the rivets (just one that was a manufacturing defect, maybe) would be replaced rather than a new cover used, bearing in mind that in the period theses were "expendable" items.

Just a thought.

Mark

Very good observation Mark and I agree. As an aside, there actually was a recent case where something like this actually happened. Of course it was an anomaly.

Some might remember, a few years back, an untouched hoard of these helmet covers were found in a loft of an old warehouse in Germany. While most of them were completed, a number were only partially completed with some of them not having the clips/rivets attached. If I remember, the clips and springs were present for many of them, just not fully attached.

So, while extremely remote, it might be possible that someone could have "recently" finished one of these original covers and now it has found it's way to the market.