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Eisernes Kreuz 2. Klasse. Manufacturer?

Article about: Hello all. I'm a beginner in this exciting world of collection. I have an unmarked Eisernes Kreuz 2. Klasse with magnetic core that I can't identify manufacturer of. The figure 3 in 1939 is

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    Quote by Rosenberg View Post
    Hello Ralph, it should be the manufacturer 44, Jakob Bengel, Idar-Oberstein. I wouldn't call the manufacturer a "standard keuz". In terms of frequency, the standard cross would be the 100s .................
    Standard cross is usually the S&L mm 4

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    Quote by rbminis View Post
    Who is the maker?
    Ralph.
    I stayed put until the others responded.
    In the case of a standard cross, it is difficult to distinguish without imprinting.
    This means that so many makers used the same parts. OK?

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    Ah sorry, I misunderstood the question ................

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    Quote by fraglie View Post
    I stayed put until the others responded.
    In the case of a standard cross, it is difficult to distinguish without imprinting.
    This means that so many makers used the same parts. OK?
    Actually, I disagree.
    Although I am not really an EK collector, I do know that real ardent cross collectors can tell the maker of an EK by the date, frame, beading, etc.
    So, stating that it is a "standard cross" does not really contribute anything to the discussion.
    Ralph.
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    Quote by rbminis View Post
    Actually, I disagree.
    Although I am not really an EK collector, I do know that real ardent cross collectors can tell the maker of an EK by the date, frame, beading, etc.
    So, stating that it is a "standard cross" does not really contribute anything to the discussion.
    Ralph.
    +1 with Ralph. Although I am far from a specialist, I have both a copy of Maerz & Stimson and Gordon Williamson on my shelf. Given some time to consult and leaf through the pages, I can eventually do what the ardent collectors can often do from memory: identify maker from the various features.
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    Quote by rbminis View Post
    Actually, I disagree.
    Although I am not really an EK collector, I do know that real ardent cross collectors can tell the maker of an EK by the date, frame, beading, etc.
    So, stating that it is a "standard cross" does not really contribute anything to the discussion.
    Deschler, Juncker, Deumer ... are easy, they all have their own unique design. There are however makers that used St&L cores, St&L frames or both. In case of a full St&L parts cross (e.g. '25', '44', '66', '76' ...), it is very hard to attribute to a specific maker when unmarked. Usually they are referred to as a "standard cross" or "standard St&L design".

    Member fraglie is correct in his determination of the EK2 in the OP.

    Regards,
    Nick

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    Quote by rbminis View Post
    Actually, I disagree.
    Although I am not really an EK collector, I do know that real ardent cross collectors can tell the maker of an EK by the date, frame, beading, etc.
    So, stating that it is a "standard cross" does not really contribute anything to the discussion.
    Ralph.

    Hi Ralph
    I don't understand you. You are claiming to be true without knowing the exact information.


    What I mentioned as standard cross means that many makers actually used S&L parts as they were, so you never know without the maker imprint.

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    Quote by Nick Hessens View Post

    There are however makers that used St&L cores, St&L frames or both. In case of a full St&L parts cross (e.g. '25', '44', '66', '76' ...), it is very hard to attribute to a specific maker when unmarked. Usually they are referred to as a "standard cross" or "standard St&L design".

    Member fraglie is correct in his determination of the EK2 in the OP.

    Regards,
    Nick

    Thanks Nick

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