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02-07-2014 04:41 PM
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Hello,
this is not a pioneer dress Bayonet... such story's are nonsense.
It is a only one typ of Extra bayonet...
Every soldier was allowed to by them... there were no differences between units.
This type ware not soooo popular by the soldiers... because of the simple form... the form of the KS98 was favoured.
Regards
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its just a dress bayonet as stated.
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Vedran, You are right, "pioneer" is modern collector slang for this version of extra-seitengewehre, which is the point sleepwalker was making. Yours looks like a typical E. Pack with the offset large grip bolts with spanner nuts, it wasn't converted they were manufactured that way. If you have some concern with the grip scales, I think we will need close up detailed pictures of the area you are talking about.
Hope this helps,
Jim
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Hi Rancid you have a nice looking dress bayonet extra Seitengewher KS98 I like the Pack makers and am partial to them. I have one like you show with simulated Stag grips and is unmarked. Pack's have the large screw bolts on them and are unique like yours. George Wheeler in his book Seitengewher 1919 to 1945 states that these were a option of a dress bayonet but were not popular with the troops due to there looking like the standard s84/98 service bayonet and that the soliders wanted something different so these type versions were a slow moving item. I think they are quite rare if you look at the number of them offered as opposed to the standard KS98 Tom Johnson done a nice article on them in the 80's sometime I can't remember where I read it but he thought that they along with other dress bayonets were "Sleepers" and would go up in price in the future I think he has been partially right. I like how yours still has the green felt slot out of all of mine I only have two with felt still left in them. timothy
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Vedran, Your new pictures really show what your are talking about. The grip scales have been replaced from another bayonet and sanded down to fit with the screws reinstalled backwards. However most Packs do use screw bolts, some rivets, but from what I have seen most are the screw bolt variety.
Jim
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This bayonet never was a pioneer bayonet... an the name in the origin never exist... this modern creation is nonsense and fiction... it is always better to inform objectively.
The only correct information-sources are the original sources and the trader catalogs.
The Extra-Seitengewehre exist with 3 Hilt-forms... an 2 Bladeforms... + the option the edge the blade... all this can be mixed...
Example:
Militaria Fundforum
Militaria Fundforum
Militaria Fundforum
Militaria Fundforum
Max Weyersberg Solingen - Militaria Fundforum
the only differences are the numbers in ordering the item by the local trader....
A pioneer dress bayonet never existed...
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I suggest you read the topic again a couple of times.
"I never written that such dress bayonet pattern, was used by pioneering genus of solider.
Name a "pioneer" is a collector slang, which make difernce - "ordinary" dress bayonets."
I hope that your re-reading will be successful.
Regards
Vedran
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