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Article about: We'll call the "Fire bayonet" by it's correct name, a faschinenmesser, as it's not a bayonet, but a short sword useful as a tool, sometimes with a sawback blade. It was produced th

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    We'll call the "Fire bayonet" by it's correct name, a faschinenmesser, as it's not a bayonet, but a short sword useful as a tool, sometimes with a sawback blade. It was produced throughout the Third Reich era, by large and small Solingen blademakers. Many also produced the K98 combat bayonet, or the dress/parade KS98, as the blade used in the faschinenmesser is the same, whether in 20 cm or 25cm length. However a short and long sawback option was available for these Fire service blades.

    These parade sidearms, (as the nickel plated versions we are dealing with, were not likely used to rescue old women from burning buildings or cats from trees), sometimes will have a makers mark on the reverse side of the ricasso. Other times only a distributors name is found, and some will have both. But many have no marks at all. The following is a list of known makers of the Fire faschinenmesser. Then a list of distributors.

    The Fire faschinenmesser manufacturers;

    1) Rudolf Buchel, Solingen. Rare.

    2) Alexander Coppel/ALCOSO, Solingen. common.

    3) Dirlam & Sohne, Solingen. "J D S", rare.

    4) Carl Eickhorn, Solingen, very common.

    5) F.W. Holler, Solingen.

    6) E.u F. Horster, Solingen.

    7) Robert Klaas, Solingen.

    8) Carl Julius Krebs, Solingen. The lobster logo usually seen.

    9) Heinrich Krieghoff, Suhl. Used logo "H K" in dotted circle. Rare.

    10) Johann Leupold, Bayreuth. Used logo like an "L & sword". Rare.

    11) P.D. Luneschloss, Solingen. Used logo "P.D." or P D L, rare.

    12) E. Pack & Sohne, Solingen.

    13) Puma, (Lauterjung & Co) solingen. uncommon.

    14) SOLINGEN or GARANTIE SOLINGEN. These marks may be a Guild marks for smaller makers to pool their produce. Quite commonly seen.

    15) C.Gustav Spitzer, Solingen. uncommon.

    16) Paul Seilheimer, Solingen. uncommon.

    17) Tiger, (Lauterjung & Co) Solingen. common.

    18) G. Weyersburg sne, Solingen. (Gustav) Rare

    19) M. Weyersburg, Solingen. (Max) Rare.

    20) Anton Wingen jr, Solingen. uncommon.

    21) WKC, Solingen. Often just knight's head logo. Very common.

    22) Carl Schmidt sohn, Solingen. Uses logo of church with two crosses on roof. Rare.

    23) J.A. Henckels, uncommon

    24) Carl Lutters & Cie (Lowenwerk) Solingen. Uses seated lion logo. Rare.


    DISTRIBUTORS of Fire faschinemesser.
    Included in this list are general outfitters and merchants and specialist Fire equipment distributors. Some will be missing, so these are commonly seen;

    1) Carl Busse, Mainz

    2) Carl Henkel, Bielefeld. A Fire equipment distributor still in business.

    3) Linnenbrugger & Ellermann "L & E" Bielefeld, specialist Fire equipment. Often seen on Eickhorn blades. Fire helmet logo with swastika.

    4) Horst Wolff, Liepzig, distributor.

    5) A. Ziegler, Giengen a Brenz, distributor.

    6) Hoppe & Homann Hufeisenfabrik, Minden, distributor. used a HMH logo.

    7) L & W , yet to identify.

    8) Gustav Genschow, Berlin. Used "GECO" logo on blades.

    9) E.Scharff Kober & Co. distributor.

    10) A.Luneburg (August), Kiel. distributor. sometimes seen on Gustav Spitzer marked blades.

    11) H & P, K inside a triangle. unknown as yet distributor.

    12) Georg Rieder, Munchen



    There will be others missing. Please let me know if you have a blade with an unlisted maker/distributor. May the knowledge increase.
    Last edited by Anderson; 07-03-2019 at 09:42 AM. Reason: additional info

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    Thankyou Anderson this is a good work and valuable to this forum.
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    I did a much lengthier list of individual manufacturers, distributors & variants of marks back on GD.com many moons ago. I think it's contained somewhere within a thread I started 10 years ago. This was actually a recreation of a thread I'd done years before but was lost with the software glitches back in those days. The thread is located on the BCN forum & is preserved as a sticky.

    Fire Bayonet Thread - German Daggers

    For those of you that may be members there, there are a ton of pics of my collection. Just realized the thread has garnered over 1.1 million views

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    Several clarifications to Anderson's above list, based entirely on my experience collecting these items and anecdotal indicia.

    I don't believe Ernst Scharf / Kober & Co., Frankfurt a/M. und Leipzig was a distributor but a producer in their own right. (Fisher's NS Dagger Maker Trademarks, 5th Edition). The company used the Pelikan logo and was known to make razor blades before making fire bayonet blades. Their wares are infrequently seen and are, in my experience, typically of early manufacture exhibiting magnetic solid hilts and early pattern bakelite grip plates. I've owned 5 or 6 of these at one time and all that I've seen over 20+ years had Eickhorn hilts. Occasionally they will appear with reverse pommel marks of "BSW" for Berlin-Suhler Waffen und Fahrzeugwerk , (a wartime weapons manufacturer, Encyclopedia of German Tradenames & Trademarks 1900-1945, W. Darrin Weaver, Schiffer Publishing) and inventory numbers. Even harder to find is one with the matching frog which will also have the stylized BSW logo and matching number. Presumably BSW had it's own fire fighting detachment within the factory and they marked their own bayonets accordingly. Always nice to find a matched set with these marks.

    Hoppe & Homann Hufeisenfabrik, Minden, was also a manufacturer & not a distributor. Prior to manufacturing blades, HMH was a horseshoe factory.

    Linnenbrügger & Ellermann, Bielefeld has also been seen on Pack hilts showing the offset rivets. Of these Pack hilts, the L&E logo was an earlier etched logo with the store's name & location only & not the Feuerwehrhelm with swaz logo that the company became known for with collectors.

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    I still have the following distributors:

    Gottlob Kurz, Wiesbaden-Igstadt
    Karl Burgsmüller, Berlin-Charlottenburg
    Hans Kalb, Mannheim
    A. Domeyer, Bremen
    Gebr. Windhorst, Grohn-Vegesack

    I think there are many more ...

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    I'm confused, are we discussing distributors of edged weapons in general or those that specifically distributed Polizei or Feuerwehr bayonets? I ask because I've collected these items specifically for over 20 years and never seen any of those marks on a Polizei or Feuerwehr blade.

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    The thread is suppose to be ONLY about Fire "bayonet" makers and the distributors that sold them. Please put other discussions on another thread. Thanks.
    There is a seperate thread devoted to Polizei side arms makers.

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    Quote by Anderson View Post
    The thread is suppose to be ONLY about Fire "bayonet" makers and the distributors that sold them. Please put other discussions on another thread. Thanks.
    There is a seperate thread devoted to Polizei side arms makers.
    Copy that. The TR era faschinenmesser were new manufacture - the Police bayonets both new and recycled from other bayonets, and the seldom mentioned Behörden types. Best Regards, Fred

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    Very good thread. I have a stone mint Linnenbrugger & Ellermann "L & E" Bielefeld model.

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