Ww1 german stahlhelm identification.

**SimonSorenKam** · 05-01-2022, 01:31 AM

And this is why I come to you guys for a second opinion. From afar I liked it and when I picked it up I thought "Nope no way but I'll check".
With that said several comments were it was scarce and it's a "Berndorfer “Hungarian” shell".
Would you have the time to educate me on how you determined that? I assume there are glaring differences between that and other stahlhelms?

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 05-01-2022 01:31 AM

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**helmet2id** · 05-01-2022, 01:42 AM

The 2 front helmet rivets are BEHIND the vent lugs. The maker stamp will be a neck stamp of the Berndorfer Bear and it is a size 64. The shell is rare, but the value has been severely compromised by the post War “art”.

**AndyM35** · 05-01-2022, 01:53 AM

Simon, on top of what Jim has already said, there are subtle differences in the shape of the shell too.

To see an example of an original WW1 period example go over to German Helmets Inc and have a look at
Item 879 M1918 Austrian Krupp/Berndorf helmet.

**SimonSorenKam** · 05-01-2022, 01:56 AM

Thank you, I'll check it out!

**SimonSorenKam** · 05-01-2022, 02:02 AM

by helmet2id

The 2 front helmet rivets are BEHIND the vent lugs. The maker stamp will be a neck stamp of the Berndorfer Bear and it is a size 64. The shell is rare, but the value has been severely compromised by the post War “art”.

Okay perhaps further educate me? The helmet marking I couldn't see and I looked for quite a bit (probably from all the fresh paint), but how did you determine its size just from pictures? Or did you see the stamp in them and I didn't.

So for 725.00 I was smart to move on from this one I'd say.....

**MAP** · 05-01-2022, 03:58 AM

Late to the parade here.

Moved this to the Imperial section. It is not WW2 related. Weimar "maybe" but not WW2.

Either way, nothing to add to what everyone has already said. A "hurt the eyes" fake on a rare shell. A shame.

You were wise to pass this one by

**SimonSorenKam** · 05-01-2022, 04:48 AM

I'm sorry for posting this on the wrong forum. I tried to do this at the show from my phone, a Galaxy S21 and it didn't work well with this site for some reason. Originally it posted the helmet and pics of civil war cannons from earlier in the day I deleted from my phone. I appreciate you correcting some of my issues.

Thank you.

Simon.