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Early Bundeswehr Zweiteilige (two part) Stahlhem

Article about: Look what I found! After an age of searching and finding only items that had sold long before I got there I located a nice example for sale and made by FW Quist. Sadly I was once more outbid

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    On your theory, which is applicable to the Bundeswehr M1,

    L-S.A. means according to the Vorläufige Technische Leitlinie (provisional technical guidelines) VTL 8415-008 =

    Linnemann - Schnetzer, Ahlen

    It was stipulated that the location of the manufacturer should be mapped.

    The same can be found with the inner helmets according to VTL 8415-009.

    In this case here PSP 58 stands for Presswerk Schwaben, Polchingen 1958.

  2. #12

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    or F.W.Q.E. = Friedrich Wilhelm Quist, Esslingen.

  3. #13

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    Quote by Sleepwalker View Post
    On your theory, which is applicable to the Bundeswehr M1,

    L-S.A. means according to the Vorläufige Technische Leitlinie (provisional technical guidelines) VTL 8415-008 =

    Linnemann - Schnetzer, Ahlen

    It was stipulated that the location of the manufacturer should be mapped.

    The same can be found with the inner helmets according to VTL 8415-009.

    In this case here PSP 58 stands for Presswerk Schwaben, Polchingen 1958.
    Extremely good information, thank you so much

    Still wondering why the Danish always have an A, while the Dutch a B. Now I know the Germans have an LS 1956 shell, it could still be a customer marking. Germans, none (1956), Danish, A (1957), Dutch, B (1958). Only problem is Indonesian LS shells, they also have an A... hmm. Maybe a shell characteristics / configuration?

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    So far I have no explanation for this either.

    But shouldn't there be any documents in Denmark?

    LS only delivered what was ordered.
    I think the manufacturing conditions were precisely written down inc. Stamping.

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    That is a first, for me, in so many ways!

    -A green CF shell, well could be gray though, both actually? Might be an Army shell original, later stamped by CF. It is the red/orange 1960s typeface style.
    - A CF shell made by LS, never seen that either.
    - Possible the clearest Danish LS stamp I have ever seen. At least close.
    - A “B“stamp. Never seen that on a Danish shell. Year 1959 yes, and 57, 58, 62, but always A. In the Lot range 1-34.

    Very interesting shell. Super good find

  7. #17

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    I hope you got it.
    Stand cheap for sale.

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    The plot thickens. Very strange. So many conflicting things!

    Never seen a Danish Civil Defense shell that was not gray, apart from those repainted or purchased yellow with a blue triangle in the 1980’s (U.SCH or VDN). Never seen a Danish LS Civil Defense shell. This one is Green and an LS shell!

    Never seen a Green Danish LS Army shell with a “B” stamp. Yet this looks like a Danish LS ink stamp, but with a “B”. At the same time, it has an unusably large lot (61). Largest I have seen so far is 34 (A stamps). The shell color does not look like Danish LS and U.SCH from the 50’s and 60’s – but color on LCD screens can be misleading, so I might be the same. On top of that, its CF stamped!

    Furthermore, this is a Dutch liner! Not a Danish liner. Never seen anything other than US ww2, Diaward and Danish liners in Army, Home guard and Civil defense service. Where does a Dutch liner suddenly come from?

    I know it has conflicting stamps, but I believe this is original a Dutch Army/home guard shell, that somehow ended up in the Danish Civil Defense, presumably via some sort of purchase.

    This needs investigation!

    Anybody ever seen this little metal tag, on other shells, that is on the chinstrap?

  10. #20

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    Hi,

    Things that go on sale don't necessarily have to belong together. I think you have to look at the liner separately here.

    The only thing that matters here is the shell.

    I do not think that it is an import of a used item to Denmark. It should have been delivered that way. This is supported by the typical ink stamp, which is not found on Belgian or Dutch helmets.

    Such Danish helmets appear very often in Germany.



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