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Re: Commemorative Medal of the War of Liberation
An interesting difference in quality Mike , i would be surprised if the L&T example passed quality control .
REGARDS AL
We are the Pilgrims , master, we shall go
Always a little further : it may be
Beyond that last blue mountain barred with snow
Across that angry or that glimmering sea...
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Re: Commemorative Medal of the War of Liberation

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Alan M
An interesting difference in quality Mike , i would be surprised if the L&T example passed quality control .
Yes. I've often wondered if its a fake given the tool marks, etc. I haven't been able to find good photos of other examples to compare to.
I need a good reference book or someone with more knowledge to offer an opinion.
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Re: Commemorative Medal of the War of Liberation
I checked the Orders and Medals Society of America database and found this photograph. It clearly shows the hallmark on the medal. Unfortunately it cannot be enlarged enough to read the date code.

For all I know both of my medals could be fakes. When I posted about the L&T mark in a previous thread, a member thought it to be the hallmark of Lindman & Tillander, a known Finnish producer of medals.
But I just don't know. Anyone with more info?
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Re: Commemorative Medal of the War of Liberation
Thanks for showing this reference Mike , there is a marked difference in the quality of the details , and a great looking medal .
REGARDS AL
We are the Pilgrims , master, we shall go
Always a little further : it may be
Beyond that last blue mountain barred with snow
Across that angry or that glimmering sea...
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Re: Commemorative Medal of the War of Liberation

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dastier

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Alan M
An interesting difference in quality Mike , i would be surprised if the L&T example passed quality control .

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dastier
Yes. I've often wondered if its a fake given the tool marks, etc. I haven't been able to find good photos of other examples to compare to.
I need a good reference book or someone with more knowledge to offer an opinion.
Following up on my quest to determine the authenticity of this Commemorative Medal of the War of Liberation that I have collected, I found an example of a Lindman & Tillander hallmarked medal at the web site Medal-Medaille, Orders, decorations and medals of the world for sale online Its very similar to mine:



Last edited by dastier; 11-21-2012 at 02:25 AM.
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Re: Commemorative Medal of the War of Liberation
I found these references to the manufacturers of Finnish medals at the Wehrmacht Awards and Axis History Forums:
"Here are the manufacturers of the Finnish medals from 1918. All Freedom Crosses of 1918 were made by Otto Oertel in Berlin." (I believe Freedom Crosses refers to the Cross of Liberty) "The Freedom-Medal of 1918 by Sporrong & Co in Stockholm." (by Freedom-Medal of 1918 I am assuming the Commemorative Medal for the War of Liberation and not the Medal of Liberty)
"The Freedom Crosses of 1939 were made by A.Tillander and AB Ordensfabriken in Helsinki. The medals by Tillander. The Freedom Crosses of 1941 were made by AB Ordensfabriken, Finska Guldsmeds AB and A.Barck in Helsinki. The Freedom Medal and the Medal of Merit by AB Ordensfabriken and Finska Guldsmeds AB." (here I believe the Freedom Medal refers to the Medal of Liberty and not the 1918 commemorative medal)
Foreign Awards on German Medal-Bars - Page 2 - Wehrmacht-Awards.com Militaria Forums Post #12.
"Dear friends,
The Crosses of the Liberty (at least 1st patch in 1918) were made at the Ziech, Berlin.
Invitations to tenders were sent to Otto Oertel and John Wagner & Sohne (which offer was twice as expensive as Ziech's). In earlier books Oertel has been named as manufacturer by E.F.Wrede (who wrote the first book about Finnish Orders), but that was not correct information.
The ribbons were manufactured by Max Kust. And medals at Sporrong, Stockholm.
These foreign manufacturers were used because of quite large number of orders to be made. In Finland we did not have capacity to manufacture these during civil war.
Cheers,
Jani "
Foreign Awards on German Medal-Bars - Page 2 - Wehrmacht-Awards.com Militaria Forums Post #15.
"Hi Gentlemen,
I have been watching this thread for awhile now until I decided to participate.
On 28.8.1918 15,000 Awards were ordered from the firm Sporrong & Co in Sweden, in November a further 6,000 were ordered from Sweden. Another maker of the War of Liberty medal was Lindman & Tillander. On 19.3.1919 another 50,000 were ordered. The maker Finska Guldsmeds AB made 20,000, 20,000 were made by Lindman & Tillander, and 10,000 came from Sporrong in Sweden.
14,648 War of Liberty medals were sent by the Finnish Ministry of War to Germany, asking the German authorities to distribute them. Also 1,200 Swedes were given the medal.
It´s very hard to determine how many Awards were made since the Award was authorized after the Independence War in the summer of 1918 and was still obtainable as late as 1958 - 1961."
Axis History Forum Post by Hans N on 28 May 2005.
In this last post I derive that the author is posting about the Commemorative Medal for the War of Liberation and not the Medal of Liberty by his reference to 14,000 medals being sent to Germany. The Great War Photo Archive makes mention of German recipients as did Jani in his entire post.
"There were something 13000 Germans in Finland to help "white" Finnish at the end of Civil war. The regiment was called Baltic Division and was under command General Rudiger von der Goltz.
Most common medal in German bars is the Liberation war medal, which was basically awarded to every German in Finland."
So to summarize: it seems there are three manufacturers of the Commemorative Medal for the War of Liberation: Lindman & Tillander and Finska Guldsmeds AB of Finland and Sporrong & Co of Sweden.
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Re: Commemorative Medal of the War of Liberation
Interesting information Mike , thanks
Do you know if all the awards were identifiable to makers by MM's
REGARDS AL
We are the Pilgrims , master, we shall go
Always a little further : it may be
Beyond that last blue mountain barred with snow
Across that angry or that glimmering sea...
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Re: Commemorative Medal of the War of Liberation
Commemorative Medal for the War of Liberation Ribbon Clasps and Rosette
Engraved Clasps:
For those who had participated in the war 'under enemy fire' with the following name either in Finnish or Swedish. Made of iron, 4 mm high and 31 mm wide:
Finnish first row/Swedish second row:
Pohjanmaan vapautus - Österbotten befriande
Vilppula - Filpula
Tampere - Tammerfors
Satakunta - Satakunta
Savo - Savolax
Karjalan rintama - Karelska Fronten
Viipuri - Viborg
Lempälä-Lahti - Lempälä-Lahtis
Kouvula-Kotka-Hamina - Kouvula-Kotka-Fredrikshamn
Pellinki - Pellinge
Etelä-Suomi - Syd-Finland

Finnish Heraldic Rose.
The Finnish heraldic rose, 13 mm in size, attached to the ribbon was chosen to show that the medal had been given as an award. The Medal of Liberation War was ranked equal as the 2nd class Liberty medal and is to be regarded as given to those who fought bravely under enemy fire.
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