Municipal Police Bayonet ( Weimar Cut Down )

[Anderson]

Very nice. Certainly got some hefty rivets on the grip plates. That Coppel trademark, as you probably realize is the early version used before 1936. They were a Jewish business, and the story of the family post 1933 is pretty sad.

[Larry C]

Stunning example Stevade and a beauty

I can only echo Andersons thoughts on the Coppel firm. Such a prestigious cutlery producer only to be discriminated against by impoverished minds.

Alcoso is on the same level of Craftmanship as the other top producers of Eickhorn and Ernst Pack.


Regards Larry

[Stevade]

Many thanks for all the positive replies... after looking at various bayonets I do think ACS manufactured the better detailed versions.
And if you didn’t know this model had been cut down, you’d never be able to tell, the Police Armourer done an excellent job. ��

[Stevade]

Thanks Anderson .... Maybe that’s all the rivets the Armourer could find at the time of shortening the Bayonet to comply with regs .... or it was Friday afternoon with a can’t be bothered attitude!
Yes I agree about the Alexander Coppel story ... very sad, especially as they were putting so much back into the economy.

[Billy G]

The large oversized aluminum rivets are the type you want to see on a Weimar produced cut-down example.

I've owned a pair of 3R produced 17" long uncut blade clamshells & both had small rivets. But the makers marks & lack of spine proof marks told the tale.

[Stevade]

Thanks for the info Billy G .... something else I’ve learnt

[Billy G]

Just got to see these pics on the desktop (as opposed to a phone screen). The grip emblem appears to be the solid "shield" type which would be incorrect for this vintage bayonet as this type was only used late in the production period & only on a few makers' products, Alcoso not being one of them.

They are available today so I suspect it might be a nonperiod replacement. A Weimar produced cut-down should typically have the early aluminum "stubby-winged" type eagle. Does it have any sort of wiggle when touched?

[Stevade]

Hi Billy G
Yes there is some movement with the badge .... I have seen another ACS Bayonet with this type of Badge in the Handle complete with Large Rivits.

[Billy G]

The rivets are the type you want to see on a cut-down bayonet, large, almost oversized & aluminum. They look fine to me.

The grip emblem is not the type typically seen on this period bayonet. The solid shield type emblem was used only late in the 3R & only on a few manufacturers' products, Alcoso not being one of them. The bayonet would not be considered "textbook" & although that is just a label, I wouldn't pay top dollar for it for that reason alone. Many grip emblems have been redone in the years after 1945.

If there's movement when touched, maybe it was a period replacement although period replacement emblems usually resemble the grip emblem on your aluminum hilt example, the so-called "wide-winged" type. I'm speaking merely in terms of what is typically seen & we all know there are often exceptions. If you are happy with the bayonet, that should be all that matters.

[Stevade]

Thanks for the info Billy G ..... Being a collector of edged weapons for over 30 years and have seen some of the mis-match pieces on offer out there, but as you say there are some genuine exceptions so not all pieces are as the TEXT BOOK states!!
Ps ... This one was not top dollar.
regards