RZM Leather Belt Markings

**yellow12** · 08-20-2017, 11:24 AM

here a RZM L2/682 (Xela)

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 08-20-2017 11:24 AM

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**Wilhelm Saris** · 08-20-2017, 11:31 AM

I thought the intention were the codes, to transfer into a name, but Ben can explain.
But maybe showing the code is also great for most to see!

**Ben Evans** · 08-20-2017, 11:47 AM

by Wilhelm Saris

I thought the intention were the codes, to transfer into a name, but Ben can explain.
But maybe showing the code is also great for most to see!

It was Wim but I like the idea of the example and we can add them to the list if not on there, we can always research to find out the makers as time permits

**Wilhelm Saris** · 08-20-2017, 05:27 PM

Some are not in the 1938-list and surely must be mentioned in later RZM issues.
Would cause me too much time to find out as I have to check every issue untill
1944. If I do find some time, I will see to check......

RZM L2/2433 - A Hermeneit, Hamburg
RZM L2/330/36 - Josef Lorenz, Bamberg (1936)
RZM L2/682/39 - Franz X. Esterl, Augsburg (1939)
RZM L2/954/40 (bmd 41) - Max G. Mueller, Nuernberg. According RZM = Ludwig Schröder, Ansbach (1940)
RZM L2/682 - Franz X. Esterl, Augusburg (no year)
RZM D.J./ Ausf.2 4/2644/38 - not known before 1938 (1938). Must be mentioned in later RZM-issues
RZM L4/2644/39 - ibid (1939). Must be mentioned in later RZM-issues
JV Ausfg 2 1271 (Jungvolk) - J.G. Haufle, Pulsnitz
L2/2613 - not known before 1938. Must be mentioned in later RZM-issues
RZM L2/271/36 - Franz Josef Rothe. Braunschweig (1936)
RZM L2/682 (Xela) - not known, possibly permission withdrawn before 1938
RZM L2/2398/36 CROUPON - possibly Erwin Henke, Tuttlingen (Württemberg), (1936)
RZM L2/600/38 CROUPON - Hans Hofmann senir, Torchheim (Ostfriesland) - (1938)

**weller** · 08-20-2017, 05:39 PM

Wow Ben, this turned into a great thread very quickly, good idea. Nice to see the examples Markus added. He also has L2/682 with the interesting Xela stamp whereas my example is stamped Augsburg. And of course, many thanks to Wim for providing this very hard to find maker information.

**Ben Evans** · 08-20-2017, 05:52 PM

by Wilhelm Saris

Some are not in the 1938-list and surely must be mentioned in later RZM issues.
Would cause me too much time to find out as I have to check every issue untill
1944. If I do find some time, I will see to check......

RZM L2/2433 - A Hermeneit, Hamburg
RZM L2/330/36 - Josef Lorenz, Bamberg (1936)
RZM L2/682/39 - Franz X. Esterl, Augsburg (1939)
RZM L2/954/40 (bmd 41) - Max G. Mueller, Nuernberg. According RZM = Ludwig Schröder, Ansbach (1940)
RZM L2/682 - Franz X. Esterl, Augusburg (nor tear)
RZM D.J./ Ausf.2 4/2644/38 - not known before 1938 (1938). Must be mentioned in later RZM-issues
RZM L4/2644/39 - ibid (1939). Must be mentioned in later RZM-issues
JV Ausfg 2 1271 (Jungvolk) - J.G. Haufle, Pulsnitz
L2/2613 - not known before 1938. Must be mentioned in later RZM-issues
RZM L2/271/36 - Franz Josef Rothe. Braunschwei (1936)
RZM L2/682 (Xela) - not known, pissibly permission withdrawn before 1938
RZM L2/2398/36 CROUPON - possibly Erwin Henke, Tuttlingen (Württemberg), (1936)
RZM L2/600/38 CROUPON - Hans Hofmann senir, Torchheim (Ostfriesland) - (1938)

Many thanks Wim, great info and a cracking start to a new sticky, hopefully this one will continue to grow

**weller** · 08-20-2017, 06:35 PM

I took another look at 'L2/2613 - not known before 1938.' No RZM stamp in the leather but is stamped 'Kernleder'. Also, here is the RZM ink stamp that appears to be L1 64.

**weller** · 08-20-2017, 08:19 PM

I found 2 more that I forgot about. The CROUPON is unlike any others I have and came with the very 1st HJ buckle I bought. The D.J. has a very, very faint 'L' before the 4, so an L4 maker.

RZM Nr 1160 CROUPON
RZM L4/138/36 D.J

**weller** · 08-20-2017, 11:05 PM

Here are the RZM ink stampings for SA belt example RZM L2/330/36 - Josef Lorenz, Bamberg (1936). Based on the 'L' list above I believe the stampings match up to: L4g= SA-Dolfestestelleriemen. Here are the best pics I could get looks like 'LG' with a '37'.

**Wilhelm Saris** · 08-21-2017, 08:18 AM

RZM Nr 1160 CROUPON -Albin Scholle, Zeitz
RZM L4/138/36 D.J - Lucie Gelewski, Berlin-Reinickendorf-Ost (1936)
L1 64 - not listed in 1936 and 1938 (L1 = Lederfabriken). Must be of
a later date as the highest number in 1938 was 54.

PS: those not listed or found I will check later when I do have a greater
number of them, as I cannot go through all of the RZM issues every time
when a number lacks! So, have patience friends!