Unfinished ? ( Blank Buckle Info)

[Wilhelm Saris]

I will find the thread Wim, is shows period pics with guys eraing the buckles

I know Ben there are various photos where men are wearing the buckle.

I just quote from leaflets and catalogues, where not ever the word Condor
is being used. And most of these catalogues are from the period the
Germans were in Spain.
For example in a Franke catalogue this type of buckle was offered as
a "neutral" buckle (glattes Koppelschloss) and so I can describe more
catalogues and leaflets.

This type of buckle was not ever offered as HJ. And Brumbar it is not
an unfinished buckle. This is just how this buckle was made.

I just quote from what I see and read. I just try to give a helping hand.
Nothing more then that!

[Makalash]

"Neytralke" is buckle wide application without specific reference.Neutral buckle had a wide range of civil applications from a particular janitor or worker in the private lesnichestva , to work on the staff of Generalluftzeugmeister.But the dealers, for obvious presinapticescuu positioning them as Legion Condor or penal battalion... But we all know that let Shtrafbat had other buckles and this is confirmed.

[Makalash]

For example : Soldiers of the third Reich , is very rarely such a buckle.Penal battalion....

[Wilhelm Saris]

These so-called penal-buckles floated the market in the 1970's.
They were available for about five guilders or Deutschmark.
Sometimes one could buy one for less. Everyone sold them.
They are not rare!

I would like to see one actually being worn before the end of
the war! Much stories are "invented" about this buckle. But proof???
As far as I can remember Thomas Reid did not mention this buckle
at all in his 1974 reference. He came with it in his revised edition
from 1979.
Angolia was in 1982 the first person to claim it as military penal.

[Ben Evans]

For example : Soldiers of the third Reich , is very rarely such a buckle.Penal battalion....

These buckles were worn post war by the German Firemen, I have a photo of them wearing them, I am at work at mo or I would post pics, nothing to do with Penal Battalion, just a phrase coined by dealers to sell them on

[Makalash]

These so-called penal-buckles floated the market in the 1970's.
They were available for about five guilders or Deutschmark.
Sometimes one could buy one for less. Everyone sold them.
They are not rare!

I would like to see one actually being worn before the end of
the war! Much stories are "invented" about this buckle. But proof???

I have no such information ..."everything is possible, it is pointless to argue..

[Ben Evans]

Not arguing just stating facts, here is the thread

Penal Battalion Buckle: Real or Fake

[Makalash]

Not arguing just stating facts, here is the thread

Penal Battalion Buckle: Real or Fake

Thank you Ben for the show ... I, too, am now leaning that this is more towards firemen employees..

[Wilhelm Saris]

Not arguing just stating facts, here is the thread

Penal Battalion Buckle: Real or Fake

I know this thread Ben. All what is said about this buckle being TR is crap!
Angolia came with it!

Forgot to mention: I do not know who told me about the stamping over of
this buckle. Maybe it was at one of my visits at Overhoff in the early 1970's.
Can't ask them anymore. The guys I had spoken with and had contact with
for many years are all dead by now!

Checked my old information and found a letter where they say it was a buckle
manufactured after 1945 (anyway the stamping over). I just tell what they
told me. Are they wrong, I am wrong!

I had asked Overhoff also about the buckles 11 (11).57; 11 (12). 184; 12(1).58
and 33 (5), as I had supplied Angolia with photos (see credits with first reference).
The answer was in the above mentioned letter, but this mr. decided about his
opinion, I think!

[Ben Evans]

Cheers Wim, very interesting mate, would have love to have visited the factory