Major Karl Elshorft.

**Combatzone** · 03-30-2021, 04:27 PM

Hiya! Looking for any infomation about this Luftwaffe Officer. Obviusly highly regarded as promotion certificate hand signed by boyh AH amd HG. Many thanks in advance!

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 03-30-2021 04:27 PM

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**rbminis** · 03-30-2021, 05:04 PM

Have you had the signatures authenticated?
Ralph.

**Willmore** · 03-30-2021, 06:06 PM

Hi there.

I found some information -

ELSHORST, Karl. 11.38 Maj., appt Ib/LV-Kdo. 4, Essen (later Düsseldorf). 26.11.42 Obstlt. (Erg.O./Flak), trf from Stab/2. Jagddivision (previously in Stab/2. Flakscheinw.Div.) to Annahmestelle 3 für Offizierbewerber d.Lw. (trf not carried out unto 05.03.43). 10.05.43 with Annahmestelle 3 für Offizierbewerber d.Lw., trf to Annahmestelle 5 für Offizierbewerber d.Lw.

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http://www.ww2.dk/Lw%20Offz%20%20-%2...%202020%20.pdf

The rank of Oberstleutnant in the German Army and Airforce is equivalent to Lieutenant colonel.

**Combatzone** · 03-30-2021, 10:57 PM

Thanks for the great info,signatures have been authenticated by a few different people.

**KMMorris** · 03-30-2021, 11:55 PM

The signature on these type of documents are regularly facsimile's, I would be fairly confident in saying that is the case with your document as those 2 signatures are obviously not hand signed.
Morris

**Combatzone** · 03-31-2021, 02:39 PM

Second to last picture shows reverse of signatures with ink seepage and stress marks where signatures have compressed paper which you do not get with facsimile signatures. Lower ranking promotion certificates more often than not are facsimiles but seen a few hand signed for higher ranks, identical to this one.

**KMMorris** · 03-31-2021, 10:16 PM

If you look at both they are obviously not hand signed, the AH one is the easiest to see it. As the H cross bar stops at a perfect angle on both sides. Also they are both perfectly placed at 90* degree angle. So again its a facsimile im sorry

**Combatzone** · 03-31-2021, 10:54 PM

Have to agree to disagree on that one . Had several facsimile examples before and this is not one. You fail to explain how paper is compressed or why partial ink bleed is visible on the reverse. Facsimile prints never do that. OP was asking for infomation on receipiant which a knowledgeable and helpful member has supplied. Happy with appraisals and authentications already received so will leave it there.

**KMMorris** · 03-31-2021, 10:58 PM

I could tell you all the points why its a Facsimile and how you can tell the difference but you don't seem to be interested in opinions or learning, which is something all to present with a lot of new members.
My only advise would be please don't attempt to resell this as item with two original signatures, It is a fairly regular and common document.

Question on original document with Hitler's signature.