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Article about: This is an interesting thread that Tempelhof has launched, though the claims made, and the sources cited, illustrate the attraction that always attends an alleged revelation of a deep secret

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    Nazi Atomic Bomb

    i suspect this is the article which you refer?

    https://f314851f-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites....attredirects=0


    it was originally reported in the forum of Twelve O'clock High (TOUCH) then cited again on uboat.net

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    Last edited by Pacific Viking; 10-08-2022 at 08:30 AM. Reason: adding images

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    The source to cite for Japan's Atomic bpmb was the story in the Atlanta Constitution October 2, 1946.

    Here is the text from that article by reporter David Snell :

    "Actual Test Was Success

    Japan developed and successfully tested an atomic bomb three days prior to the end of the war.

    She destroyed unfinished atomic bombs, secret papers and her atomic bomb plans only hours before the advance units of the Russian Army moved into Konan, Korea, site of the project.

    Japanese scientists who developed the bomb are now in Moscow, prisoners of the Russians. They were tortured by their captors seeking atomic "know-how."

    The Konan area is under rigid Russian control. They permit no American to visit the area. Once, even after the war, an American B-29 Superfortress en route to Konan was shot down by four Russian Yak fighters from nearby Hammung Airfield.

    I learned this information from a Japanese officer, who said he was in charge of counter intelligence at the Konan project before the fall of Japan. He gave names, dates, facts and figures on the Japanese atomic project, which I submitted to United States Army Intelligence in Seoul. The War Department is withholding much of the information. To protect the man that told me this story, and at the request of the Army, he is here given a pseudonym, Capt. Tsetusuo Wakabayashi.

    The story may throw light on Stalin's recent statement that America will not long have a monopoly on atomic weapons. Possibly also helps explains the stand taken by Henry A. Wallace. Perhaps also, it will help explain the heretofore unaccountable stalling of the Japanese in accepting our surrender terms as the Allies agreed to allow Hirohito to continue as puppet emperor. And perhaps it will throw light new light on the shooting down by the Russians of our B-29 on Aug. 29, 1945, in the Konan area.

    When told this story, I was an agent with the Twenty-Fourth Criminal Investigation Department, operating in Korea. I was able to interview Capt. Wakabayashi, not as an investigator or as a member of the armed forces, but as a newspaperman. He was advised and understood thoroughly, that he was speaking for publication.

    He was in Seoul, en route to Japan as a repatriate. The interview took place in a former Shinto temple on a mount overlooking Korea's capital city. The shrine had been converted into an hotel for transient Japanese en route to their homeland.

    Since V-J Day wisps of information have drifted into the hands of U.S. Army Intelligence of the existence of a gigantic and mystery-shrouded industrial project operated during the closing months of the war in a mountain vastness near the Northern Korean coastal city of Konan. It was near here that Japan's uranium supply was said to exist.

    This, the most complete account of activities at Konan to reach American ears, is believed to be the first time Japanese silence has been broken on the subject.

    In a cave in a mountain near Konan, men worked against time, in final assembly of genzai bakuden, Japan's name for the atomic bomb. It was August 10, 1945 (Japanese time), only four days after an atomic bomb flashed in the sky over Hiroshima, and five days before Japan surrendered.

    To the north, Russian hordes were spilling into Manchuria.

    Shortly after midnight of that day a convey of Japanese trucks moved from the mouth of the cave, past watchful sentries. The trucks wound through valleys, past sleeping farm villages. It was August, and frogs in the mud of terraced rice paddies sang in a still night. In the cool predawn Japanese scientists and engineers loaded genzai bakudan aboard a ship in Konan.

    Off the coast near an inlet in the Sea of Japan more frantic preparations were under way. All that day and night ancient ships, junks and fishing vessels moved into the anchorage.

    Before dawn on Aug. 12 a robot launch chugged through the ships at anchor and beached itself on the inlet. Its passenger was genzai bakudan. A clock ticked.

    The observers were 20 miles away. This waiting was difficult and strange to men who had worked relentlessly so long who knew their job had been completed too late.

    OBSERVORS BLINDED BY FLASH

    The light in the east where Japan lay grew brighter. The moment the sun peeped over the sea there was a burst of light at the anchorage blinding the observers who wore welders' glasses. The ball of fire was estimated to be 1,000 yards in diameter. A multicolored cloud of vapors boiled toward the heavens then mushroomed in the stratosphere.

    The churn of water and vapor obscured the vessels directly under the burst. Ships and junks on the fringe burned fiercely at anchor. When the atmosphere cleared slightly the observers could detect several vessels had vanished.

    Genzai bakudun in that moment had matched the brilliance of the rising sun in the east.

    Japan had perfected and successfully tested an atomic bomb as cataclysmic as those that withered Hiroshimo and Nagasaki.

    The time was short. The war was roaring to its climax. The advancing Russians would arrive at Konan before the weapon could be mounted in the ready Kamikaze planes to be thrown against any attempted landing by American troops on Japan's shores.

    It was a difficult decision. But it had to be made.

    The observers sped across the water, back to Konan. With the advance units of the Russian Army only hours away, the final scene of this gotterdammerung began. The scientists and engineers smashed machines, and destroyed partially completed genzai bakudans.

    Before Russian columns reached Konan, dynamite sealed the secrets of the cave. But the Russians had come so quickly that the scientists could not escape.

    This is the story told me by Capt. Wakabayashi.

    Japan's struggle to produce and atomic weapon began in 1938, when German and Japanese scientists met to discuss a possible military use of energy locked in the atom.

    No technical information was exchanged, only theories.

    In 1940 the Nisina Laboratory of the Institute of Physical and Chemical Research in Tokyo had built one of the largest cyclotrons in the world. (Cyclotrons found in Tokyo by the invading Yanks were destroyed).

    THOUGHT ATOMIC BOMB RISKY

    The scientists continued to study atomic theory during the early days of the war, but it was not until the Unites States began to carry the war to Japan that they were able to interest the Government in a full-scale atomic project. Heretofore, the Government had considered such a venture too risky and too expensive. During the years following Pearl Harbor, Japan's militarists believed the Unites States could be defeated without the use of atomic weapons.

    When task forces and invasion spearheads brought the war ever closer to the Japanese mainland, the Japanese Navy undertook the production of the atomic bomb as defense against amphibious operations. Atomic bombs were to be flown against Allied ships in Kamikaze suicide planes.

    Capt. Wakabayashi estimated the area of total destruction of the bomb at one square mile.

    The project was started at Nagoya, but its removal to Korea was necessitated when the B-29's began to lash industrial cities on the mainland of Japan.

    "I consider the B-29 the primary weapon in the defeat of Japan" Capt. Wakabayashi declared. "The B-29 caused our project to be moved to Korea. We lost three months in the transfer. We would have had genzai bakudan three months earlier if it had not been for the B-29."

    The Korean project was staffed by about 40,000 Japanese workers, of whom approximately 25,000 were trained engineers and scientists. The organization of the plant was set up so that the workers were restricted to their areas. The inner sanctum of the plant was deep in a cave. Here only 400 specialists worked.

    KEPT IN DARK ON EACH OTHER'S WORK

    One scientist was master director of the entire project. Six others, all eminent Japanese scientists were in charge of six phases of the bomb's production. Each of these six men were kept in ignorance of the work of the other five. (Names of these scientists are withheld by Army censorship).

    The Russian's took most of the trained personnel prisoner, including the seven key men. One of the seven escaped in June, 1946, and fled to the American zone of occupation in Korea. U.S. Army Intelligence interrogated this man. Capt. Wakabayashi talked to him in Seoul. The scientist told of having been tortured by the Russians. He said all seven were tortured.

    Capt. Wakabayashi said he learned from this scientist that the other six had been removed to Moscow.

    "The Russians thrust burning splinters under the fingertips of these men. They poured water into their nasal passages. Our Japanese scientists will suffer death before they disclose their secrets to the Russians," he declared.

    Capt. Wakabayashi said the Russians are making and extensive study of the Konan region.

    When Edwin Pauley of the War Reparations Committee, inspected Northern Korea, he was allowed to see only certain areas, and was kept under rigid Russian supervision.

    On Aug. 29, 1945, an American B-29 headed for Konan with a cargo of food and medical supplies, to be dropped over an Allied prisoner of war camp there. Four Russian Yak fighters from nearby Hammung Airfield circled the B-29 and signaled the pilot to land on the Hammung strip.

    PILOT REFUSES; REDS FIRE

    Lt. Jose H. Queen of Ashland, KY., pilot, refused to do so because the field was small, and headed back toward the Saipon base, to return "when things got straightened out with the Russians." Ten miles off the coast the Yak fighters opened fire and shot the B-29 down. None of the crew of 12 men were injured, although a Russian fighter strafed but missed Radio Operator Douglas Arthur.

    The Russian later told Lt. Queen they saw the American markings but "weren't sure." because sometimes the Germans used American markings and they thought the Japs might too. This was nearly two weeks after the war ended.

    Capt. Wakabayashi said the Japanese Counter Intelligence Corps at least a year before the atom bombing of Hiroshima learned there was a vast and mysterious project in the mountains of the eastern part of the United States. (Presumably the Manhattan project at Oak Ridge, Tenn). They believed, but were not sure, that atomic weapons were being produced there.

    On the hand, he said, Allied Intelligence must have know of the atomic project at Konan, because of the perfect timing of the Hiroshimo bombing only six days before the long-scheduled Japanese naval test.

    Perhaps here is the answer to moralists who question the decision of the United States to drop an atomic bomb.

    The Japanese office, the interpreter and I sipped aromatic green tea as Capt. Wakabayashi unfolded his great and perhaps world-shaking story. His eyes flashed with pride behind the black-rimmed glassed. When the interview ended, he ushered us to the door and bowed very low...
    "



    Capt. Wakabayashi from this aerticle was apparently a prince of Japan' Royal family under an alias.

    Soviet paratroops captured Japan's nuclear weapons laboratory at Hungnam on 24 August 1945. North Korea inherited its nuclear weapons know how from Korean scientists trained by Japan during WW2.

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    The Monsanto report G371 Compiled for the Manhattan committee reviewed all captured Nazi nuclear research documents and recommended that Nazi nuclear technology was in no wise inferior to Allied nuclear technology and release of the documents posed a security risk of nuclear proliferation.

    the report said:

    “Point III. What was the state of German theory of the chain reaction?
    Answer (C) Generally we would say their approach was in no wise inferior to ours; in some respects it was superior.”



    Russia was not mentioned, but the great fear was what if USA lost its nuclear weapons monopoloy?

    The report said:

    "VI. What bearing does this have on publication of the parts of the PPR dealing with principles of the chain reaction?
    Answer: the Germans know how to design a lattice which will work. From the practical standpoint this is all that matters. The details of elegant perturbation theory or transport theory (which would be contained in Vol. III) or the details of heat transfer calculations (Vol. IV) would tell them nothing essential to the determination of lattice dimensions. They already knew how to calculate the optimum dimensions.
    A question of ethics is raised by the existence of the German reports. In many cases, useful information is contained therein."


    USA created the IAEA and it was mandated through the United Nations That IAEA would impose global control over the nuclear energy industry.

    The Monsanto report imposed a veil of silence over Nazi achievements, but over the years the surviving children of Nazi pioneers have spoken out contradicting the official narrative.

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    Nobody is doubting your assertion:

    There are always witnesses and participants, and someone would have talked long before now. And I think it's important to remember that before the war even ended, the United States launched Operation Paperclip with the specific objective of recovering as much German technological development as was possible, and, my friends, Operation Paperclip was enormously successful. I seriously doubt that a German automic bomb would have slipped through the net.
    however incorrectly, you assume if US intelligence knew of a Nazi atomic bomb they would share that fact with you. The Monsanto Report establishes the motive why the US Government wanted it kept secret.

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    First thing to note is the Nazis developed so far as I am aware, two distinct types of nuclear warhead:


    1. a Uranium gun barrel type A-bomb called 76 Zentner


    1. a super critical fusion boosted fission "Schumann Trinks" device



    Their Uranium bomb used Uranium sourced from a mine in Czechoslovakia which was enriched by centrifuge at underground sites in Western Germany. Centrifuge enriched materiel was flown by special Ju90 courier aircraft to Silesia, or Hamburg, where Betatrons applied electromagnetic separation converting it from LEU to HEU.


    We learn these facts from OSS agent Moe Berg who interviewed engineer Dr Ing Ernst Nagglestein in Zurich in November 1944 about his work on Atomic weapons at Tubingen, with Dr Otto Hahn. British bomb disposal intelligence "operation Butterfly" discloses more information.

    The OSS report A-44 136/5985 of 7 November 1944 comes directly from Nagglestein. It also warned of Tabun B nerve gas manufacture at Dyhrenfurth of which the Allies had previously been entirely unaware and this revelation proved 100% accurate.
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    Number of He-177 aircraft were modified with extra large bomb bays to accommodate the 76 Zentner A-bomb device. These He177 were hybrid aircraft with wings from the abandoned Me264 bomber, with DB613 engines and contra-rotating propellers. Main source for this was a talk given by Luftwaffe bomber pilot Peter Brill to a Spanish Flying school in 2005.
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    The 76 Zentner bomb was accommodated in a bomb bay with the He-177's ventral keel removed
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    Rugen Atomic tests 1944.


    Witnessed by Stralsund resident Elisabeth Mestlin who saw the explosion and a large purple mushroom shaped cloud hovering over Büg peninsula from the island of Vitte Hiddensee on 12 October 1944. (Recording the NDR October 2004, source Heiko Petermann)



    The "Schumann Trinks" device was referred to by Herman Goering as a warhead weighing just 5kg. Tests of this device at Rugen on the Bug Isthmus IN 1944 suggest it had a destructive yield of just 0.814 kt. Rugen atomic tests occured in October 1944
    Last edited by Pacific Viking; 10-09-2022 at 01:39 AM. Reason: corrected spelling error

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