Hj / dj winterbluse to restore

[LEPRECHAUN]

Hello to all,

i have this hj/dj winterbluse and i would like to restore it.

My knowledge about correct insignia on HJ/DJ tunics is small but i can see a bit of mess here.

Down to the Gebietsdreieck there's the evidence of a previous armscheiben of DJ

The shoulderstrap doesn't match with the Gebietsdreieck.

If Bann of DJ are the same of HJ 85 should be "Dithmarschen - Steinburg/ Nordmark/ Nord", our Dreieck here is Ost Berlin.

Also, the Dreieck were the same for DJ and HJ ? i recall i saw smaller kind with a more "fat" lettering.

However, i assume that the choice if to make this bluse a correct HJ or a correct DJ will be up to me...so...supposing that the removed Oberbann armscheiben was originally there i should replace it and find the correct correspondence between the shoulder strap and the Dreieck in order to obtain a result near to the last period photo ?

Thanks for your attention !

[Wilhelm Saris]

In general one can say the numbers for HJ and DJ were the same, but "Dithmarschen"
was 84 and not 85 in the earlier years. Since the mid-1930's and war 85 was indeed
"Dithmarschen".
See lists for the correct indication for 84 and 85 in 1935, mid-1930's and for wartime. With
your strap with 85 you should use the "Nordmark"-triangle with lettering type c!

The triangle positioned is the version as used since the mid 1930's. At that moment
the Jungbann-numbers did not have the number with slash.

I will make some scan for you for your convenience (and post them
later this day here).


DJ-1935 type of numberings for Berlin


DJ-wartime numberings for Berlin


DJ-1935 type of numberings for Nordmark


DJ-type of numberings since mid-1930's for Nordmark


lettering types before and after 1935 for Nordmark

Make the winterblouse into a lower ranked boy, as boys with
a leading function could wear the number also upon the
other shoulder since fall 1938.

[LEPRECHAUN]

Thank you very much Mr. Saris, this will be a great help.