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08-25-2023 08:46 PM
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Here are a few links to other examples I found that have similar features to the one in question:
Strongly curved crossguard:
WW2 German Daggers | EARLY HITLER YOUTH DAGGER BY HARTKOPF & Co
Unmarked blades with similar profile:
Hitler Youth Knife - Unmarked - Epic Artifacts
Hitler Youth Knife
Examples with replacement grips:
Just a moment...
Just a moment...
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A bit of an anomaly case as with a steel hilt you would think 1936-38, as the post war Scout knives would have a Zinc alloy hilt. But an early high ricasso knife would usually have a motto and maker & RZM on the blade. So possibly an assembly with earlier hilt and later blade. Any scabbard with it?
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Anderson, the hilt is steel (a magnet sticks to it strongly) and I cannot find any traces of stamping on the blade or ricasso. I have seen a "transitional" Hartkopf HJ knife that is marked only with an RZM stamp on the ricasso (German WWII Hitler Youth Knife | Cowan's Auction House: The Midwest's Most Trusted Auction House / Antiques / Fine Art / Art Appraisals) and the blade shares a similar profile to my own. However, I cannot find any strong indicators that the ricasso of my blade was ever stamped like this, as it would take a considerable amount of grinding to remove the stamp fully. There are fine "filing" / "grinding" marks that I can see under strong magnification on the ricasso where the RZM stamp should be and this could possibly be evidence of removal, but I am doubtful of it.
My first impression was a Post-War parts knife and a completely unmarked blade could support this theory, however most of the "Scout" blades imported into the US in the 50s and 60s were clearly stamped "GERMANY" per US law. No scabbard came with the blade, and thus no additional "clues" can be added to what we see here. The gentleman I purchased it from knew it was a "Salin-ger" blade (as he pronounced it!) and claimed to have found it at an estate sale recently. This "clue" could easily point to WW2 era or Post-War era construction...so right back to where we started!
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I have a post war scout knife I picked up in the 1970s...and has Edge Brand Solingen Germany on one side of the ricasso and a 3 digit number on the other side ...both are lightly stamped and small.
I can see it would not take much effort to grind it off or even using sandpaper to do the job. Just my observations.
Regards Larry
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