Need help on Iron cross 1st class with bar

[Pat84]

Need help please ,for these two !!
that’s the only photos I can get . No makers marks .wonder if it’s all authentic? Looks like a crap copy !! Let me know
Thanks

[Gwar]

Oh those pics.. Can't you do something to avoid this ??

[Pat84]

Sorry their terrible I know , that’s the only photos I could get from that website and they didn’t came right at all !

[Gwar]

I thought that MAP, one of our Moderators had a sticky thread on how to attach pics so that they do not appear sideways when they are posted and viewed..

[rbminis]

Is this thread about the crosses, or the spange?
One, or both?
It would have been wiser to start a thread for each of them separately.
Actually, it would not be worth a thread for the second one, based on these poor photos.
Ralph.

[Chopperman]

Save your money. Both are bad.
Originals of these are some of the hardest crosses to find.
Not just a little hard but a lot hard. I've been looking for an original
combination like this for over 25 years.

[CBH]

If you crop your photos before posting, they usually come out right-side up.

[KMMorris]

Looks like 2 good cast fishing sinkers to me. No good.
Morris