"The Motto": 17th/21st Lancers cap badge

[leigh kitchen]

Is that a genuine arm badge in the top photo of post no. 6?
I regret bitterly not buying a couple of caps a few years back - 17th/21st officer's Full Dress & Service Dress caps, complete with insignia -just too modern I thought - but I should've got them.

[ian]

hi Leigh
yes it is genuine infact everything i have from the regement is genuine except my lance cap which is a repro as real ones are hard / expensive to get
most everything i have i got when i was in the reg
i have lots more stuff but dont want to bore you all
1 motto is 1st world war 1 2nd and a very scarce brass motto
the rest aare all post war iether white metal silver or sta-bright
cheers ian

[Panzer 3]

Hi Ade / Ian,
this is the only motto ( badge ) i have i got this years ago, i use to get a badge from units we served or trained with. not sure of the age but i have been out now 28yrs.
dave.

[leigh kitchen]

hi Leigh
.........i have lots more stuff but dont want to bore you all
1 motto is 1st world war 1 2nd and a very scarce brass motto
the rest aare all post war iether white metal silver or sta-bright
cheers ian

You're jokng, bore away.
Was it the 17th Lancers who had a bronzed motto for Other Ranks during WWI?r

[ian]

well Liegh this is a bone of contention within the regement
i found this brass motto in a box along with loads of realy old stuff
when i asked about it they said that brass mottos were never used by the regement
and then others said yes its 1stww so?
ill talk to the curator of the reg musium tommorow and get back to you on it
i do know brass motto,s are not seen very often
cheers ian

[ian]

Dave that double pin motto you have there is the classic white metal berret motto that most of us used and polished to death
i was even put on a charge in about 79 becouse i had polished the lettering to the point you could not read it
i was finned £5.00
cheers ian

[ian]

this the WO&sgts mess dress 17/21L
it used to belong to a man i new very well
unfortunately someone removed his wo2 crown and sleave motto(chad)
this mess dress has lots of memories attatched to it

[leigh kitchen]

Gaylor does'nt list the 17th Lancers as being one of the WWI brass economy badge'd units, Kipling & King stae that a bronzed version was issued (Vol 1 P208) but don't show an illustration of it.

Would a heavily polished motto translate as one given an enthusiastic rub down with fine emery cloth by the way?

[Panzer 3]

Hi Ian,
I got this one in the late seventies i liked to get a motto or badge
from most units we were with, i was lucky the Ligt Infantry used
stay bright badges so it was easier. I came out in 82, .
dave.

[ian]

leigh with regard to the sleave motto,s (chad,s)
heres some better pics
the cloth chad is from WO2 mess dress worn above the crown on the right forarm
the white metal chad is for corporals and above up to staff sgt
and is worn on the stripes
cheers ian