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Kriegsmarine 2nd model Eickhorn etched dagger parts dagger- Need Authentication

Article about: Hi all, Apologies for posting this topic again, but I was requested to upload my pictures to the forum rather than using links. I was wondering if anyone could tell me about the below piece.

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    Question Kriegsmarine 2nd model Eickhorn etched dagger parts dagger- Need Authentication

    Hi all,

    Apologies for posting this topic again, but I was requested to upload my pictures to the forum rather than using links.

    I was wondering if anyone could tell me about the below piece. I have only just started collecting and would like to confirm it’s authenticity. Since posting my original topic, a few people have raised concerns that the scabbard may not be original to the dagger, or visa versa. As I'm a new collector, any help would be greatly appreciated.

    I am still able to return the dagger if I'm not happy, hence I would appreciate some honest and frank opinions.

    Many thanks for your time.

    Kind regards,
    Jack.

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    Please also see attached the internals of the scabbard:

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    I have seen the discussion for this dagger on WAF and agree that you should return the dagger, I can only add that pic 7 shows a very poor fit of the grip to crossguard, you don't want to start your collection with one like this.

    Best Tomaz.

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    I have seen the discussion for this dagger on WAF and agree that you should return the dagger, I can only add that pic 7 shows a very poor fit of the grip to crossguard, you don't want to start your collection with one like this.

    Best Tomaz.
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    Hi gents,

    Many thanks for your replies.

    I also decided to post here as I happened to come across the forum in a Google search. Please don't take it personally that I came here after going to Wehrmacht Awards!

    The guys over there seem to be confounded by the scabbard. I'd really appreciate a few more opinions overall before potentially sending it back as there seems to be disagreement over its authenticity.

    Many thanks,

    Kind regards,
    Jack.

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    Even if the scabbard is authentic, with a 35-41 maker marked blade, 42 steel scabbard and what looks like a pot metal crossguard and a 38 replacement pommel and badly fit grip it would not be one for me. The steel scabbard if authentic should be with the 41-42 "over the shoulder" maker mark.

    Best Tomaz

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    Hi Tomaz,

    Many thanks for your reply once again.

    Would pot metal metal crossguard indicate that it's postwar/fake?

    Many thanks,

    Kind regards,
    Jack.

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    Apologies for posting once again, but re your marks on the pommel, does '38' indicate that it is earlier than the blade and/or that the dagger is essentially constructed with various pieces from different time frames?

    Many thanks.

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    The dagger is constructed with miss matched time frame parts, you should not find late steel and pot metal fittings with a 1938 "replacement pommel, the pommel could be ok for the blade but not the other parts.

    Best Tomaz.

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    Hi Tomaz,

    Many thanks for your input once again. I'll likely be sending an E-Mail to the dealer shortly, so I'd like to summarise my reasoning:

    To clarify:

    • The pommel is correct for the time period.
    • The blade and stamp matches the above, hence it would be considered correct.



    However...

    • The cross guard does not tally with the above due to the pot metal manufacture (Can I ask, when did they begin to use this method with Kreigsmarine daggers? What is the earlier alternative to pot metal?).
    • The scabbard does not tally as it is of later manufacture.



    Many thanks once again,

    Kind regards,
    Jack.

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