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04-02-2020 09:44 AM
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Hi Kurby welcome to the forum.
You are correct..this dagger is parts and glad you studied.
to further add to your observations...the grip is recent made
the scabbard is junk which those scabbard fittings never existed during the period.
You can compare to with other SA daggers seen in this forum the difference in curvature.
There were 3 types of Gebr Heller blades which the blade on this example is the most common seen one from Marianthal using the smaller letter logo. Another example shows the same style logo but with larger letters also from Marianthal
Lastly the commonly seen anchor logo example.
You are correct these crossguards do not belong to this producer ..not only because of the incorrect SA gruppe mark but also the guard style type.
I do not know what restoration can be used on correcting the fittings more so than the condition.
Finding the correct fittings may cost you more and will take a while to find which may add up to what an SA dagger costs currently.
Below are just a few pics to compare to from a past Heller dagger I owned.
Regards Larry
if you can get more pics ..that would be great.
It is not the size of a Collection in History that matters......Its the size of your Passion for it!!
- Larry C
One never knows what tree roots push to the surface of what laid buried before the tree was planted - Larry C
“The farther back you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see.” - Winston Churchill
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It's for sale for £300!! That should tell you everything you need to know- If it sounds too good to be true - then it usually is! Never heard of the dealer either
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What do you think of the grip and runes button and its placement?
The dark grip is a different topic and appears to be a recent paint over of an SA grip.
Regards Larry
It is not the size of a Collection in History that matters......Its the size of your Passion for it!!
- Larry C
One never knows what tree roots push to the surface of what laid buried before the tree was planted - Larry C
“The farther back you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see.” - Winston Churchill
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Larry, looking closer at the pictures of the grip i almost feel like the eagle and the runes are placed more ontop of the grip, rather than properly inlaid into it. As if it is sitting a little too proud.
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you are going in the right direction
Look at the amount of stress or gouge marks that encircle both the grip eagle and runes button.
I know I would not want a dagger grip like that in my collection.
These 2 items were replaced which makes the dagger messed with.
It is not the size of a Collection in History that matters......Its the size of your Passion for it!!
- Larry C
One never knows what tree roots push to the surface of what laid buried before the tree was planted - Larry C
“The farther back you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see.” - Winston Churchill
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That RZM marking is Carl Eickhorn although Herder had an RZM license but did not benefit from it.
Eickhorn produced until 1942
In close comparison you will see that the 66 looks like the 55
below is a 1938 dated RZM code
You are correct about the HJ Herder RZM marking.
It is not the size of a Collection in History that matters......Its the size of your Passion for it!!
- Larry C
One never knows what tree roots push to the surface of what laid buried before the tree was planted - Larry C
“The farther back you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see.” - Winston Churchill
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The Dealer also sells this Helmet as an Original Shell... i would definitly stay clear from all of his items...
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