FLL Marine-Artillerie-Abzeichen Question

[GlennAgain]

Hello Friends - I notice that these examples don't feature the raised FLL Logo as generally encountered - Is it a Fake or a Variant?
Another question: Did FLL have a quality problem with the Catches of their badges? I ask because they appear crudely applied and are found with both round and flat wire catches...
I'd be very grateful for your Input, Thanks!

[Peeloo]

Hello Glenn! Sorry, but I don't like that either.
IMO not good, I would leave it.
Regards,
Peeloo

[martinw]

To answer your question Glenn,yes FLL did make a variant with a stamped in maker mark.
To date four diffent types of maker mark can be found on these zinc Artillerie badges.
The first badge is a good original IMO and is type A.4.1.1 with the stamped in maker mark,sheet metal hinge,round wire mainpin and round wire catch that is soldered into an oval recess.

Cheers,Martin.

[GlennAgain]

Thank you kindly for the Info, very helpful!!

[martinw]

BTW,the second badge looks like it COULD be a good groundug original ??
However, i think the obverse has been refinished.

Cheers,Martin.

[Adrian]

The badges with a stamped in maker's maker should have a round wire catch soldered into a recess.
There are two variants with a raised makers mark which also have the catch in this configuration.
The other variant with a raised maker's mark has a flat wire catch soldered onto a base plate.
So the catches on the above badges are correct for this particular variant although it appears as if the catch on the second example has been replaced as I agree with Martin, it looks like a relic badge that has been repainted.

[Norm F]

Hi Guys,

I agree that the first badge with the Lakesidetrader watermark is a genuine A4.1.1 with the typical stamped-in mark, but it's an unusual one in that it has the oval sheet-metal hinge whereas this variant usually has the rectangular sheet-metal hinge. The oval hinge is typical for the later A4.1.3 with the raised maker mark. So that one is sort of a hybrid between between A4.1.1 and A4.1.3. I might need to add it to the classification system.

The second badge however is simply a cast reproduction.

Best regards,
---Norm