The Cross and Medal of Independence
Article about: Here is a complete ‘award package’ issued to a recipient of the Medal of Independence. It consists of the following components: 1) the decoration – full size and miniature 2) the presentatio
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Re: The Cross and Medal of Independence
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3mk
Thanks Tony,
The Cross of independence with swords is really rare,Now you cant seem to find them any where even on Allegro!I was bidding on a Cross of Independence without swords but I was outbid because I was at school
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A.J. Zawadzki
Yes, genuine swords versions are rare. After all, there was just over 1800 issued, and a good portion have not survived. I am very fortunate to have found this one on its original issue ribbon. It’s a shame that there were no accompanying documents, but one can’t have everything!
You can safely say that all recipients of the Cross of Independence with Swords were either on NKVD or Gestapo lists for liquidation. And sadly many were indeed murdered as perceived threats to the invading powers in 1939. It’s difficult to fully grasp the horror that must have swept the nation in 1939 as these tragic events were unfolding. This is what should make these decorations all that much more special to us collectors.
Regards,
T.
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3mk
My Grandma (Who was a nurse in the resistance) told me when she saw her Father dressing up for a parade she seen a medal with swords on the top so I think my Great Grandfather was a recipient of the Cross of Independence with swords! . . .
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A.J. Zawadzki
My grandfather Jan Zawadzki also fought in the Russo-Japanese war.
Over to the Cross of Independence with Swords – the list of recipients still exists. Let me know his full name and I will verify if he is indeed a recipient. As with all Polish state decorations and regimental badges, they were not handed out carelessly. Strict conditions needed to first be met. And as you can imagine, with only just over 1800 awards the awarding of the Cross of Independence with Swords was reserved for very special cases.
T.
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3mk
Sorry but Ive made a mistake Wojciech Klos fought in the Legions in World War 1 and fought in the Polish-Soviet war where he earned the Virtuti Militari.The one that fought in the Russo Japanese War, World War 1 and the Polish soviet war was Franciszek Harasim
Sorry
P.s where did you find this recipients list?
Thanks
The list I have is from the Puchalski / Wawrzynski reference book on this decoration.
Unfortunately neither Wojciech Klos nor Franciszek Harasim are named on the list of recipients of the Cross with Swords.
Regards,
Tony
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robert odulinski
Could you describe how can one tell if the item is genine? what are the characteristic things to look out for ?
The classic answer to this question is to get familiar with the genuine article so that the counterfeits will become apparent when they crop up. Of course, easier said than done when one doesn’t have an authentic one on hand to study. Nonetheless, the same old advice applies – buy from a trustworthy source, ask for knowledgeable opinions (i.e. post pictures on this site!), look for the correct patina and wear commensurate with the age of the item, etc etc.
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robert odulinski
i also wanted to ask about the corresponding documentation. i have ones for the cross and medal but im unsure if the document for the MI with crosses is the same.
Yes, the documents were in the same format, although they noted the grade of the decoration, and also pictured the cross with swords. Later I will post pictures of the various award documents (at the moment the forum is not allowing me to attach them to this message for some reason).
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robert odulinski
Similarly did all medals come with a miniature?
Good question. It was up to the recipient if he wanted to buy a miniature. The notification of your award arrived for free, but if you wanted the goodies you had to buy them! This practice was not unusual in pre-war Poland. I will post additional information on this topic later . . . stay tuned
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robert odulinski
I have often wondered what has happended to the hanging dumbells the original ones that is not many on the market.
The old “dumbbells” method (I never thought of them in this way!) was adopted by the Poles from the French. These “belki”, “szpilki”, “zawieszenie” pins are seen on the market occasionally. But generally a scarce item as in Poland these were phased out of use starting in the late twenties with the advent of the new “hook and eye” ribbons that were suspended from a cord threaded though the uniform. It’s worth noting that as the Cross and Medal of Independence was issued after the new regulations were put in place, so technically these would not be a correct way of suspending the decoration.
Regards,
Tony
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Thanks for checking Tony I really appreciat it
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[QUOTE=A.J. Zawadzki;93994]The classic answer to this question is to get familiar with the genuine article so that the counterfeits will become apparent when they crop up. Of course, easier said than done when one doesn’t have an authentic one on hand to study. Nonetheless, the same old advice applies – buy from a trustworthy source, ask for knowledgeable opinions (i.e. post pictures on this site!), look for the correct patina and wear commensurate with the age of the item, etc etc.
thank you Tony, could you lend me yours to get familiar with please.
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Re: The Cross and Medal of Independence
If only those were the prices today...
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It is so interesting add from before WWII, and there are people who are looking at it, and talking about it. I wish I could buy one of each lol.
Mariusz
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Re: The Cross and Medal of Independence
Hello all, I just started looking into this award as I have one that was handed down to me from my father. It is in very good condition. It is a cross with swords, but without the barbell. I am interested in researching the list of recipients to find my grandfather's name. I can't seem to get anything from the Puchalski/Wawrzynski Reference as was previously mentioned in an earlier post.
Does anyone know where I might find a list of recipients?
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