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Origins of the SA 3 pc Marching Hanger
A Big Thankyou to Wilhelm Saris for bringing to light the Origins of the " Small retaining loop", on the SA 3 pc marching hanger in this thread below. Many have been led to believe that the 3pc Hanger seen on SA daggers , all originated at the time of the 1933 production run of the SA dagger. This not true and only the dagger with the small straight hanger were issued...being attached to an equipment type belt loop with "D" Ring.
Wilhelm Saris has provided great insight..with period documentation of 1935 to support the year of first production regarding the small retainer loop seen attached around the top part of the grip to hold the dagger in a Vertical marching position. An Anti-Swing attachment so to say.
I would like to call this the "1935 Marching Hanger Variant" Regards Larry
Last edited by Larry C; 09-21-2014 at 02:18 AM.
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09-19-2014 11:27 AM
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Hi Wilhelm..thankyou for the period image. My German Translation is not the best and the word " Feststellriemen " comes back to me as "traction strips" . We Know that the Standard SA dagger was introduced in January 1933..and which it must of had some type of hanging device..prior to 1935..or is it my understanding that the word " "Feststellriemen " is for the short retainer loop that goes arounD the top of the grip?
"D" ring Belt Loops already were standard wear prior to 1935..and also the short hanger as of 1933. My apologies for not being able to translate the Old style Gothic text in the image you provided. Regards Larry
It is not the size of a Collection in History that matters......Its the size of your Passion for it!!
- Larry C
“The farther back you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see.” - Winston Churchill
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Thx Wilhelm for the period scan of the 3 piece hanger, nice addition to the post
Ger
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This hanger (post 4) remained the only official hanger through the years for the SA, but we
all know others were used as well (see post from Gerrit). Much variations were developed,
but not sanctioned by the OSAF.
No other information was noted in the "Verordnungsblatt der Oberste SA-Führung" after 1937.
Additional information: when in August 1937 the uniform for Reiter-SA was announced and
published (order F 2b Nr. 136704), it was said: Dolch mit Feststellriemen. When mounted
officially no dagger was worn. Note from Verordnungsblatt der OSAF, number 11 from
August 1937. Page 83, with number 239.
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Great information Wilhelm and Gerrit..another piece of the puzzle added to the large collecting picture. Hmmm the question now is ...was the existing 2 pc hangers prior to the 1935 hanger variant ordered back to the leather maker..or is there an existing order that states..that these must be taken to a local leather maker for the addition. The retaining loop was fastened with a hammer and punch..around the D ring.
This pretty much shoots the theory that these retaining loops were pulled off and thrown away..yet the option was still present to take it off by the SA man for aesthetic reasons. Hard now to differentiate in the span of 2 years if a 1933 2 pc hanger is identifiable as such ..that of the 1935 year with the retainer loop. Presently the 1935 hanger variant is more so appealing than the 2 pc hanger.
Thank you again Wilhelm for your Omni present knowledge of this political organization and its accoutrements. Best Regards Larry
It is not the size of a Collection in History that matters......Its the size of your Passion for it!!
- Larry C
“The farther back you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see.” - Winston Churchill
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The only thing I know and is said with the order, the small piece of leather
was available from the sales stores from the RZM (Verkaufsstellen).
So, the hanger, used earlier, was the same as before 1935. This you can
conclude from the 1934 dress-regulation.
In first instance only the upper part was used (Schlaufe mit D-Ring). When
the lower part came with snap, I do not know. Might be late 1933, as hanging
onto the D-ring only was not convinient.
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