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01-03-2018 11:35 AM
# ADS
Circuit advertisement
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1,Royal army medical corps cap badge
2,British army general service cap badge
3, Welch (welsh) regiment cap badge
the ATS is an Auxiliary Territorial Service sweetheart broach
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The GSC cap badge is interesting because it is the wartime economy plastic version which would have had two flat brass tabs to secure it. Unfortunately these are missing which does detract. It is still collectible though as these did not survive in great numbers. Mainly because they were universally disliked by the troops and paradoxically, a "proper" brass one could usually be bought in the canteen for a few pennies. Also the nature of the material meant they were unlikely to survive long without damage once they ended up in "the junk drawer".
This pattern of GSC badge (The Royal Arms) was designated "Troops in Transit" ie pers who did not belong to a particular regiment for whatever reason (generally short service "specialists" or sundry admin types as well as those not yet posted to a regiment)
Another type of GSC cap badge consisted of the standard Army crossed swords and crown device which was designated "Troops in Training" this was later used by the Infantry Junior Leaders Battalion at Shorncliffe. The same device with the addition of a laurel wreath and title scroll is now used by The Army Foundation College.
Of the two buttons the first is a British generic GS (General Service) button and being green it is from the Army (RAF used blue ones). It looks to be plastic but brass ones were used too and there is no scale indication but I get the impression of it being greatcoat size.
The other button is a generic US uniform button but I couldn't say more than that for sure.
Regards
Mark
Last edited by Watchdog; 01-03-2018 at 12:48 PM.
Reason: typo
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing he cares more about than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature with no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
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Hi Mark - the generic British button is metal and is just under 2cm in diameter.
Thank you for all the information - I am now pretty excited to have this lot in my collection knowing they are WW2 and not post war as I previously thought!
I need to date the Mizpah brooch because it has hallmarks I haven't yet examined.
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Bexinthecity247
Hi Mark - the generic British button is metal and is just under 2cm in diameter.
Thank you for all the information - I am now pretty excited to have this lot in my collection knowing they are WW2 and not post war as I previously thought!
I need to date the Mizpah brooch because it has hallmarks I haven't yet examined.
Metal or plastic at that size the GS (General Service ie not peculiar to any regiment or corps) button is probably a greatcoat button. It like the other items has a Kings Crown but you should be aware that the KC was in use until the introduction of the Queens Crown (QC) when HM Queen Elizabeth II ascended to the throne in 1953. So, possibly wartime or post-war. The slight exception would be the ATS brooch as the ATS became part of the WRAC (Womens Royal Army Corps) in 1949.
The spelling of Welch with a 'C' on the Welch regiment cap badge is a later (1920) version. Prior to 1920 it was Welsh with an 'S' which was always more an "English" spelling.
I would have no idea about a Mizpah brooch other than it is a Hebrew good luck talisman. Your best bet is to go down the jewellery route I think.
Regards
Mark
Last edited by Watchdog; 01-04-2018 at 04:35 PM.
Reason: missing word
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing he cares more about than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature with no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
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The US button is from class A dress uniform rather than combat uniform. Could date from WW2 or later, can't tell from the front view.
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