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09-03-2023 01:12 AM
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For being over 100 years old, it doesn't look mistreated to me..nice helmet
"Please", Thank You" and proper manners appreciated
My greatest fear is that one day I will die and my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them
"Don't tell me these are investments if you never intend to sell anything" (Quote: Wife)
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Not a bad example at all. Congrats on the acquisition.
Todd
Former U.S. Army Tanker.
"Best job I ever had."
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Nice ET shell with original paint based on these photos. However, the liner does not appear to be an original Imperial German WW1 example. Based on the colour of the leather and the shadows around the tips of the tongues, I’d say it has been replaced by an Austrian or similar liner. The Austrian liners had small metal grommets for the liner string to pass through, and it appears these have been removed leaving their shadow. I think I can see the manufacturers stamp showing through from the outside of the shell on the left hand side due to being struck with quite some force during the manufacturing process which a nice little feature. The liner band may also have been replaced but hard to say from the photos, however most of the exterior pin heads look good, so it would be interesting to see some closeups of the interior.
Great to have a personal connection with the name to it! I think overall this is still a very nice helmet and will display well.
Andy
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Well...I stand corrected
"Please", Thank You" and proper manners appreciated
My greatest fear is that one day I will die and my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them
"Don't tell me these are investments if you never intend to sell anything" (Quote: Wife)
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Thank you very much for your replies everyone.
Interesting assessment Andy, you may very well be right but to me the shadow doesn't seem to match that of an Austrian liner pad ring, but I haven't handled that many M17 liners. I will get some more closeups of it.
The pads appear to belong to the liner band, not having been replaced and am I correct in saying that the Austrian m17's didn't have leather liner bands? You have more experience with these than I do though so you may very well be right, I wouldn't doubt your knowledge.
And you're right about the stamp, it has been struck into the shell so hard that it is visible from the outside which I also liked.
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Hello Andy,
Again thank you very much for your replies. However, I do still have some questions. I can see what you mean with the shadow of those rings, the imprints there could very well be of rings but they are smaller than the rings. But I don't know how they were connected to the Austrian liners so it could be the right size. Are there any other giveaways other than this?
However I would like to add that the leather is very aged and in line with the aging of the liner band. The pads are also damaged in ways that exactly correlate with the liner band's wear and the stitching of the pads to the liner band also look just as old as the band itself. I have no doubts about the band being original, as it is very obviously a German WW1 liner band.
I always enjoy your insightful posts, so it's not that I don't trust your expertise nor am I in the first stage of grief as I got this helmet for a very favorable deal.
But the pads do not appear, to me at least, like a recent addition. Were these helmets ever repaired with Austrian liner parts? During one moment in the left pad's life it's ''finger'' was repaired, which looks and feels period too. Were these added period perhaps? The rings later removed by a seller thinking they were fake and thus ''had to be removed''. Something on the right side of the helmet was also obviously removed with an amateur botched paint thinner attempt.
Another explanation could be that this was done in either the 50's or 60's and then sat on top of a mannequin head creating the wear and tear in the liner pads, but I still have my doubts. I also couldn't imagine somebody ruining a perfectly good M17 to ''repair'' an M16.
I'd like to hear what you think though.
(Forgot to add the line pin you were unsure about is the pin in the back. I am personally not worried about that one at all as it's paint is inline with the other pins and the helmet's paint itself).
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