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Article about: Hi all, I have recently bought a wehrpass to an SS-Sturmmann with the 10th SS Panzer Division "Frundsberg" but I'm struggling with the soldiers name. I thought it may be Xaver Fran

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    Hi Russ.

    Thank you for more photos.


    Page 20 - (Training/small arms)

    Gewehr 98k
    leichte maschinengewehre 34 und leichte maschinengewehre 42
    Pistole 38
    Handgranate
    Eihandgranate
    Gasmaske 40

    K98 Rifle
    Mg34 and 42
    P38 pistol
    Hand grenade
    Egg grenade
    Gas mask


    Page 21 (Training/courses) -

    Krankenträger
    Krankenträgerlehrgang von 20.5.1943 - 10.6.1943

    Stretcher bearer
    Stretcher bearer course from 20.5.1943 - 10.6.1943


    Normally wounds and deaths are noted on page 34, so either he survived the war or is classed as missing. I am not sure how to search for missing soldiers and I think BlackCat is your man for that, so hopefully he will see this and have a search.


    That is an interesting theory about the Halbe hoard. I cannot remember which SS units documents were in the box, but the Frundsberg appears to have been involved in the fighting.

    Battle of Halbe - Wikipedia


    Kind regards,

    Will.


    ** Edit - Thank you sammler, I was writing this and didn't see your reply.

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    I have to correct myself: Will is right, it means 'Eihandgranate', what means the normal Hand grenades because their shape remembers to eggs.

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    Seeing where Sammler is from remined me about this -

    Erwin Koenig who was born in Chicago, Illinois, USA and served with SS Panzer Grenadier Regiment 21, part of the 10th SS Panzer Division “Frundsberg”

    Details from the Volksbund -

    Name: Fred König
    Date of birth: 30.10.1926
    Place of birth: Chicago
    Death/missing date: 20.08.1944
    Death/missing place: Falaise-Argentan
    Service rank: Grenadier

    Fred König is buried in the military cemetery in Champigny-St.André .
    Endgrablage: Block 7 Reihe 5 Grab 475

    Fred Konig | Grabersuche-Online

    Good write up of his wehpaß and story -
    Fred Koenig: A SS Grenadier from Chicago USA


    Kind regards,

    Will.

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    Thank you Will and Sammler for your replies!

    I was nearly there with the weapons training (apart from the 'egg grenade') but I couldn't de-cypher the stretcher bearer course.

    Kind regards,

    Russ

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    Quote by Willmore View Post
    Seeing where Sammler is from remined me about this -

    Erwin Koenig who was born in Chicago, Illinois, USA and served with SS Panzer Grenadier Regiment 21, part of the 10th SS Panzer Division “Frundsberg”

    Details from the Volksbund -

    Name: Fred König
    Date of birth: 30.10.1926
    Place of birth: Chicago
    Death/missing date: 20.08.1944
    Death/missing place: Falaise-Argentan
    Service rank: Grenadier

    Fred König is buried in the military cemetery in Champigny-St.André .
    Endgrablage: Block 7 Reihe 5 Grab 475

    Fred Konig | Grabersuche-Online

    Good write up of his wehpaß and story -
    Fred Koenig: A SS Grenadier from Chicago USA


    Kind regards,

    Will.
    Thank you very much, very interesting! I'm not originally from Chicago, but from Frankfurt/M in Germany. You can certainly tell from my English, which is not quite so sure. But I have a family connection to Chicago because one of my grandfathers is from here. His name was Edward Raymond. He had been an occupation soldier in Germany and was of German-Italian descent. His grandfather's surname has yet been 'Raimund'.

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    Your English is really good Sammler and that is an interesting story about your family too.

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    Quote by russg View Post
    Thank you Will and Sammler for your replies!

    I was nearly there with the weapons training (apart from the 'egg grenade') but I couldn't de-cypher the stretcher bearer course.

    Kind regards,

    Russ
    I do not know if it is common in English to differ between Grenade and Grenade. In the German language we differ between 'Stiehlhandgranate' and 'Ei(er)handgranate'. So far I've only heard 'Hand Grenade' in English. But maybe it's cause I don't usually deal with explosive objects that often.

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    I am not sure myself to be honest Sammler, but I think you are right. All grenades are called grenades, but have different purposes, like fragmentation and smoke for example.

    British grenades -
    One moment, please....

    Stielhandgranate 24 -
    The German WW2 M24 Stielhandgranate index page

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    Quote by Willmore View Post
    I am not sure myself, to be honest Sammler, but I think you are right. All grenades are called grenades, but have different purposes, like fragmentation and smoke for example.

    British grenades -
    One moment, please....

    Stielhandgranate 24 -
    The German WW2 M24 Stielhandgranate index page
    Thanks for the explanation Will! Then I wasn't that wrong. Thank you also for the links! 'Stiehlhandgranate' is the classic version known from the Wehrmacht and which, to my knowledge, also existed in WWI. 'Eihandgranaten' were rather unusual for the German Army in WWII, unlike the US Army.

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    Quote by NSDAP Sammler View Post
    It could also be read as "Volm".
    I've just been through all the MIA's for Pz Gren Rgt 22 as well as Sanitäts Abteilung 10 and Frundsberg MIA's in general across the Division and there is no one named Volm among them. I didn't check VDK database against Volm.

    Just checked VDK database, there are 500 casualties with the surname Volm. But none with the same date of birth.
    Last edited by BlackCat1982; 08-22-2022 at 01:35 PM. Reason: addition

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