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Re: Allgemeine SS-VT Tunic to share with you
Robert is a very fine man, whom I regard highly. I believe this is not a Verfuegungstruppe uniform, but from a member of the Allgemeine SS. The later species of tunic, from 1936/ 1937 ish onward is very extensively marked, with all the metal ware RZM and SS marked and usually with a VA stamp. The black tag in the pocket is distinctive in the original form, while the fakes are usually botched. The textiles in these tunics are also distinctive, and the fakes do not get it right, either, since such textiles can be said to exist no longer. That is, the firms that made them have vanished and no one can easily imitate precisely this quality of cloth. While the specifications for such fabric can be found, I am doubtful that they are easily copied.
There are good fakes of these black tunics, as well as many of same extracted from Ostblock film studios. This piece did or did not have its badges removed, which should be easy to see with a glass.
I also note that images I was able to add here in the past are now being coughed back at me, which means that I am technically challenged on how to make pictures itsy bitsy to work here.
Bob's comment about the search for bargains in this material leading to heart break is spot on. If you make short cuts with this stuff, you are merely summoning the devil.
Last edited by Friedrich-Berthold; 07-01-2010 at 04:12 PM.
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Re: Allgemeine SS-VT Tunic to share with you
I have not handled many black rocks of the officer grade wool trikot, but the "hand" and weave is so distinct, it leaves a strong impression. Due to random life experience I did pick up a bit of knowledge about modern textiles and manufacturing. But the period trikot really does not compare to anything modern.
It is a dense tight weave of very fine wool. I imagine if any of the looms survive today, finding comparable raw wool with what I imagine to be organic black dyes would be nearly impossible.
Are they any insights into the manufacturing processes of this lush material?
Isn't it interesting to compare prewar officer's trikot to last ditch recycled wool and cellulose tunics?
Forget not, sheep were a strategic resource for warfighting mid-last century.
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Friedrich-Berthold
Robert is a very fine man, whom I regard highly. I believe this is not a Verfuegungstruppe uniform, but from a member of the Allgemeine SS. The later species of tunic, from 1937 ish onward is very extensively marked, with all the metal ware RZM and SS marked and usually with a VA stamp. The black tag in the pocket is distinctive in the original form, while the fakes are usually botched. The textiles in these tunics are also distinctive, and the fakes do not get it right, either, since such textiles can be said to exist no longer. That is, the firms that made them have vanished and no one can easily imitate precisely this quality of cloth. While the specifications for such fabric can be found, I am doubtful that they are easily copied.
There are good fakes of these black tunics, as well as many of same extracted from Ostblock film studios. This piece did or did not have its badges removed, which should be easy to see with a glass.
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Re: Allgemeine SS-VT Tunic to share with you
I also saw this tunic on Roberts site and thought if only, I'd love to own this! Congrats CMH! Jay.
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Re: Allgemeine SS-VT Tunic to share with you
Whoops, then I am in error. He was in the SS VT, so I mis spoke.
Thanks for the kind words. There are others who know much more, have done more research and own more interesting items. I recall seeing an Allgemeine SS unit mark or Laepchen, i.e. name tag. The man in question appears to come from Robert's Heimat and was a book binder by profession, something very close to my heart.
Best of luck with your collecting, your loyal FB
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Re: Allgemeine SS-VT Tunic to share with you
Perhaps you are not in error though, the metal items on this tunic are all heavily marked and he does have a label inside indicating SS-Sturm 7/31. Does this follow with your initial thoughts? The label also indicates he is an SS-Mann but other documents list him as Rottenführer until his discharge from the SS. Is it possible that he could have moved between the two? Forgive my ignorance on this, I am still trying to understand the structure in the SS.
Regards,
CMH
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Re: Allgemeine SS-VT Tunic to share with you
Very nice piece, DrCMH. Thanks for sharing it. Might we see some pictures of the cap?
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Re: Allgemeine SS-VT Tunic to share with you
It looks good at any rate! It needs an eagle and totenkopf--well, depending on your philosophy on such things. I suppose there are those who would see the additions as a perversion, especially considering no insignia has ever been added to the cap before. Some would no doubt see these actions as making a "parts cap" though if the insignia is period and of the right type I don't see too much of an issue. Who knows how many times insignia were replaced on caps during the period.
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