Hi, don't waste your time or money, those are very poor fake decals, although if they will steam off the helmet is worth saving. Leon.
Hi, don't waste your time or money, those are very poor fake decals, although if they will steam off the helmet is worth saving. Leon.
Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that 9 out of 10 beaded helmets seem to be made by Quist? As they are regarded by many as the best manufacturer it just seems odd to me, I'm starting to think they purposely made helmets with beads from low grade steel for non combat use!! Leon.by MAP
Thanks Jim for confirming my suspicions
That round dimple is a manufacturing flaw. Hence the helmet was not up to combat duty and a bead was added for use as a second line helmet.
And that is the question.
With this helmet, that dimple looks like a flaw thus I would lean towards rejected helmets.
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Hi Michael, I would guess that lids pressed with low grade steel would be more likely to exhibit obvious flaws anyway, it's just a thought that I've had for a while now as you rarely come across beaded lids by other manufacturers. Maybe Quist just had a very fussy army of inspectors!! Leon.And that is the question.
With this helmet, that dimple looks like a flaw thus I would lean towards rejected helmets.
Well...it would be good to find out finally one way or the other and your theory has merit. I know that I've seen other beaded helmets with flaws as well. But could just as well be due to your theory.
BTW - my beaded Luftschutz is a Q
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The hole in the top might be why the bead was put through.
Yes. That is exactly the discussion Leon and I were talking about.
1) Helmet made -> Flaw found -> Rejected -> and Bead added
or
2) Poor lot of steel identified -> Helmet made for non-combat use thus Bead added -> Post production flaw confirms poor lot of steel
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We had a big discussion on this about 5 years back......
Types of beaded Luftschutz helmets??
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I remember this thread now. So based on your expertise you would support Leon's view as it would have needed to have been done as part of the original process and not after the quench.
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Hi Leon, I just did a quick tally of my beaded helmets, consisting of all types , including M35, M40 and M42 shells with standard L/S decals, standard DD Police decals, DD Police reverse decal configuration, DD Police with Austrian decals, DD Police with set back decals, a camo'ed one with three HERR Adler decals, a SD example with a subdued Luft Adler, and several no decal examples. There were 8 EF shells, 2 ET shells, 6 Q shells, 5 NS shells, and 1 SE shell. I don't have any with the CKL maker stamp or the hkp maker mark. I don't know if any such examples exist, but I don't recall ever having seen any. I am one who believes that the beaded shells were those deemed unfit for combat due to manufacturing flaws that compromised the ballistic integrity of the shell. CKL was used by ET later in the War, and hkp was formally SE. The fact that I haven't seen any ckl or hkp beaded shells may suggest that quality control standards at those factories were relaxed towards the end of the War and helmets that may not has passed inspection earlier were accepted for combat use - or maybe that I just haven't crossed paths with any. My results aren't at all scientific, just anecdotal, but I will say that with several out of this sample of 22 examples I can easily discern the manufacturing flaws that would make the piece fail a QC inspection. Jim G.
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