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15-1925 period welsh guardsman's scarlet tunic

Article about: a recent pick up, welsh guardsmen's scarlet tunic dating to pre 1925, though obviously they were only formed on 1915 so it can be no earlier than then. It has traces of the paper army clothi

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    a recent pick up, welsh guardsmen's scarlet tunic dating to pre 1925, though obviously they were only formed in 1915 so it can be no earlier than then.

    It has traces of the paper label the army clothing suppliers used until c.1925 when sewn in labels were introduced.

    It is stamped inside in many places, Property of Aldershot Tattoo
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    15-1925 period welsh guardsman's scarlet tunic  
    Regards,

    Jerry

    Whatever its just an opinion.

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    Hi Jerry
    This and the Scots Guards tunic you recently posted in the WW1 section both look great.
    It has been interesting to view and compare the two examples.
    Thank you again for the help and information that you and also Watchdog gave me last year when I was able to purchase a Scots Guards tunic from the 1930's.
    I was blown away by the weight and quality of even an enlisted man's uniform.
    I look forward to seeing your future items.
    Andrew Barron.

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    thanks Andrew, I am glad that someone appreciates my items and my posts.
    Regards,

    Jerry

    Whatever its just an opinion.

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    Great quality pieces and interesting subjects that need a few seconds to find here don't get a lot of attention.
    Thanks for enriching the forum with posts that will help future collectors as you have helped me.

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    Quote by Jerry B View Post
    a recent pick up, welsh guardsmen's scarlet tunic dating to pre 1925, though obviously they were only formed in 1915 so it can be no earlier than then.

    It has traces of the paper label the army clothing suppliers used until c.1925 when sewn in labels were introduced.

    It is stamped inside in many places, Property of Aldershot Tattoo
    I like these too and find that they and the rest of the Household Divisions kit (even if you were to restrict things to just the Brigade of Guards) is sufficient to be an exclusive subject.

    As you suggest these tunics especially are very difficult to date precisely beyond particular changes to things like the regimental cyphers and collar badges eg metal to embroidered and vice versa etc.

    Even that is a bit of a blunt instrument because tunics in service at the time of a change that are in sufficiently good condition have typically been altered to the new specification by changing epaulettes, collars etc. Not as strange as it sounds to modern ears as the tunics have traditionally been manufactured as a basic scarlet jacket which is then "finished" in a particular regimental pattern with; collar, epaulettes and facings and buttons as required. The change to Staybrite buttons is no help with items from the mid to late '50s as many uniforms would simply have had the buttons changed.

    What makes it harder is that the basic construction of the pattern is virtually unchanged today. Whilst made in modern factories the very fabric has changed so little that only a textiles expert can tell. Even the machining techniques (still done by hand just with electric rather than treddle operated machines.

    I think that not many are seen in non-specialised collections is probably a matter of space required (they have to be properly displayed don't they) / cost in some cases and scarcity.

    For instance; I have only one bearskin but 4 plumes (GG, CG, IG and WG, the Scots Gds don't wear one of course being "centre of the line") as they are made with a plume pocket on both sides with the plumes being added at regimental level. How much space would 5 bearskins take up never mind the cost

    Beyond obvious age which an experienced collector can "smell and feel" provenance really is a major factor in determining age.

    All in it's a fascinating subject steeped in the best of history and tradition which many of us enjoy so much.

    Thanks for showing.

    Regards

    Mark
    "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing he cares more about than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature with no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."

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    As I said, it has to date from 1915 or more likely 1918 to 1925. Obviously old stock items would continue to be issued and selling on after leaving the army seems to have taken place on many similar items.
    Regards,

    Jerry

    Whatever its just an opinion.

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    Quote by Jerry B View Post
    As I said, it has to date from 1915 or more likely 1918 to 1925. Obviously old stock items would continue to be issued and selling on after leaving the army seems to have taken place on many similar items.
    Absolutely Jerry, no doubt with that.
    I was just attempting to add context to the subject as a whole regarding how to work out the period of any Guards tunic or other items of ceremonial kit for that matter. A bit like the coats of varnish on a Queen Anne chair

    Regards

    Mark
    "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing he cares more about than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature with no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."

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    I am assuming they were not manufacturing scarlet tunics during the war.

    I agee on general dating of these, without the labels or issue stamps they do not change over time after I think 1911, and even the buttons can be changed to allow an extended life.

    Did you see the scots guards tunic I posted in the WWI section? That has an issue stamp format used until c.1917/18, and the pattern date was introduced 1911. It is therefore quite likely to date from 1911 to 1914.
    Regards,

    Jerry

    Whatever its just an opinion.

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    My Great Uncle who was killed in Arras Peter Dinneen. His father also named Peter Dinneen served during the Great War. Thought you might enjoy the photos of the Uniform
    Apparently the young ladies were quite attracted to them!
    Regards,

    Geoff
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