steve again my many thanks for your great help here on this one ,i couldn't ask for better my next question was going to relate to the breast triangle too so thanks for clearing that up ,would i would say and its hard to tell from my photograph is it seems to have been double stamped ,there is a very faint faxcimile of the same ink triangle shape above this clearer one as though it was re stamped or an attempt was made to stamp ,thanks james