Verwundetenabzeichen 1939 in Schwarz - Replica or Original ?

**joe5502** · 03-16-2018, 05:11 PM

Good day fellas. Is this badge a replica or an original ww2 badge? Thank you!

Verwundetenabzeichen 1939 in Schwarz - Replica or Original ?

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 03-16-2018 05:11 PM

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**Franjo Vuk** · 03-16-2018, 05:18 PM

Hello and welcome to the forum. It looks like cast copy to me.

Best regards,
Franko

**Gunny Hartmann** · 03-16-2018, 07:23 PM

Looks like a "chaos pattern" fake to me!....

**Franjo Vuk** · 03-16-2018, 07:35 PM

I agree with you Gunny, you are right, it indeed looks like chaos pattern fake.

Best regards,
Franko

**Brett** · 03-16-2018, 09:02 PM

Don't write it off just yet Joe. What you have looks like an extremely battered tombac badge. It is not a chaos pattern fake. A look at post # 2 in the following link will soon show this:

Verwundetenabzeichen im schwartz(FAKES?)

Regards
Brett

**Watchdog** · 03-16-2018, 09:12 PM

by Franjo Vuk

Hello and welcome to the forum. It looks like cast copy to me.

Best regards,
Franko

Yep, I agree. Look at the detail especially the wreath, sword hilts, crossguards and swastika. As vague as a politicians answers and just as fake.

This is pretending to be a black grade which are at the lower end of TR badge prices so one does wonder why would anyone fake these so perhaps it is a "repro" for re-enactors etc?

Regards

Mark

**Franjo Vuk** · 03-16-2018, 09:37 PM

Well, maybe its not chaos pathern fake, although it looks like that type of black wound badge fake, but that doesnt matter at all, because it certainly is a fake and cast copy item.

Best regards,
Franko

**rbminis** · 03-18-2018, 05:14 AM

by Franjo Vuk

Well, maybe its not chaos pathern fake, although it looks like that type of black wound badge fake, but that doesnt matter at all, because it certainly is a fake and cast copy item.

Best regards,
Franko

I disagree.
I think it is a used and abused original black wound badge minus any finish.
The pebbling pattern is too accurate and nice for any fake that I have seen. This badge is stamped and not cast.
IMO, it is not in collectable condition.
Ralph.

**Brett** · 03-18-2018, 05:34 AM

Thank you very much Ralph.

I've handled hundreds of these things in all conditions & I have a fair idea what I am looking at. As well as the pebbling you mention, the rim is a uniform thickness which is something you wont find on a cast badge. This is exactly how good items get binned!

Regards
Brett

**Franjo Vuk** · 03-18-2018, 01:33 PM

Maybe I am wrong but to me this badge definitely looks like fake and on the surface of it some traces of casting are clearly visible IMO. Anyhow condition is so bad that it really is not in collectable condition. Genuine or not this piece is completely ruined.

Best regards,
Franko